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Tracking Force Suggestions for Stanton 500.v3 Cartridge?, DJ cart with range of 2 - 5 grams. Using for hi-fi play
Tracking Force for Stanton 500.v3 (2 - 5g Range)
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Knowzy
post Jul 8 2010, 07:07
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Supposing I've got a brand new Stanton T.92 USB turntable and I'm getting ready to produce some samples.

It comes with a pre-mounted (and presumably pre-aligned) Stanton 500.v3 cartridge. As a DJ cartridge, it has a wide range- 2 to 5 grams- and no specific recommendation within.

The tonearm is balanced and the counterweight dial zeroed. What tracking force do you think I should set?

Normally the consensus is to set the tracking force near the top of the range and I'm inclined to use 4.5 grams.

However, as a DJ cartridge, the top of the range is designed to ensure stability amidst violent scratching motions, which I won't be doing. Maybe 4.5 is overkill for trackability.

So, I'm throwing the question open to HA to see if we can't come to an agreement before I began sampling.




Balanced and Awaiting a Tracking Force Figure


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Knowzy
post Jul 14 2010, 06:20
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The Short Version
  • I found my tracking force: 4 grams
  • The new copy of HFN002 is not defective.
  • I'm not sure why I was getting the flat-top results the first time.



The Waveforms

Left: 3 grams. Right: 3.5 grams




4 grams



The Samples
HFN002, New Copy, Take 2, Trackability Test (Side B, Track 4)


The Long Version
Assuming my new copy of HFN002 was defective, I began looking for the right tracking force using my original copy of HFN002.

Before I did this, I re-balanced the tone arm. It was still floating but was riding a bit above the arm rest. I adjusted it no more than 1/10 gram and it was now floating just below the rest.

I commenced sampling at 4 grams. Nice and smooth, just as it was two days earlier.

When I got down to 3 grams, I noticed bumpy flat-tops on top of the sine wave in the right channel. They looked almost identical to the ones I saw on my second copy of HFN002.

At this point I'm wondering if the original HFN was cut a bit hotter. Maybe I just needed more force on the new HFN.

I tried new new HFN at 5 grams. Nice and smooth.

I tried it at 4.5 grams. Nice and smooth.

Then I tried it at 4 grams. Two days ago, this was causing the flat-tops shown in the previous posts. Today, nice and smooth.

I'm baffled. The re-balancing is the only thing I can think of that would remotely have an effect. But remember, I got the nice and smooth wave from my original HFN two days ago, before the re-balancing.

I tried 3.5 grams. Still nice as smooth, as it was on the original HFN.

I tried 3 grams. Back to flat-tops.

3.25 grams- somewhere in between.

Following Arnold's advice, I took the last good sample, 3.5 and added .5 to arrive at 4 grams.

I still don't know why I got such different results today. Delicate mechanical equipment can be so unpredictable!


The Right Question
Final note in an already long post: I realized I shouldn't have asked, "What tracking force should I use?" The right question was, "How do I find the right tracking force?"

I really learned a lot from your advice and this experience.

Thanks.
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post Jul 14 2010, 11:02
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QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 14 2010, 06:20) *
Then I tried it at 4 grams. Two days ago, this was causing the flat-tops shown in the previous posts. Today, nice and smooth.

I'm baffled. The re-balancing is the only thing I can think of that would remotely have an effect. But remember, I got the nice and smooth wave from my original HFN two days ago, before the re-balancing.

This is a long thread that I'm not really able to properly contribute to, but I will make the point that environmental factors such as temperature and humidity can affect the trackability of pickup cartridges. If the day when the tracking was better was a warmer day, that could explain the difference.
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- Knowzy   Tracking Force Suggestions for Stanton 500.v3 Cartridge?   Jul 8 2010, 07:07
- - Axon   Would it be too snarky of an answer to say that th...   Jul 8 2010, 21:50
|- - Knowzy   Before I say too much more, I should disclose that...   Jul 8 2010, 22:28
- - Knowzy   I posed this question to Stanton's tech suppor...   Jul 9 2010, 00:04
|- - Canar   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 8 2010, 18:04) The cu...   Jul 9 2010, 00:50
- - RonaldDumsfeld   The real answer is to experiment and find out for ...   Jul 9 2010, 04:07
- - botface   Don't you have a test record? If not I'd s...   Jul 9 2010, 09:01
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 04:01) Don...   Jul 9 2010, 11:41
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jul 9 2010, 03...   Jul 9 2010, 18:26
|- - botface   Aren't those tracks for setting bias? I have H...   Jul 9 2010, 19:09
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 11:09) Aren...   Jul 10 2010, 07:07
- - Knowzy   Using the +15dB track, I tested down to 2.25g and ...   Jul 12 2010, 01:09
|- - botface   I can hear mistracking in the right channel of the...   Jul 12 2010, 09:57
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 12 2010, 01:57) I ca...   Jul 12 2010, 22:47
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 12 2010, 22:47) Axon ...   Jul 13 2010, 14:04
- - 2Bdecided   Yes, it's important to remember that once the ...   Jul 12 2010, 13:07
- - botface   QUOTE If you can hear mistracking then clearly I d...   Jul 13 2010, 09:00
- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 13 2010, 01:00) If y...   Jul 13 2010, 18:11
- - Knowzy   The Short Version I found my tracking force: 4 gra...   Jul 14 2010, 06:20
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 14 2010, 06:20) Then ...   Jul 14 2010, 11:02
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jul 14 2010, 03:02) envir...   Jul 15 2010, 16:16
- - Knowzy   I'm now using 5 grams of tracking force (the t...   Jul 26 2010, 22:48
- - botface   What you're describing can often be the result...   Jul 27 2010, 09:34
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 27 2010, 01:34) What...   Jul 27 2010, 16:45
|- - Snackcakes   I have the same table. this is some great info.   Sep 20 2011, 18:46
- - Glenn Gundlach   When I worked in stereo stores, I recommended usin...   Sep 20 2011, 23:08
- - Defkon 1   sorry Im very new to this forum and I can't se...   Dec 14 2013, 05:26


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