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Tracking Force Suggestions for Stanton 500.v3 Cartridge?, DJ cart with range of 2 - 5 grams. Using for hi-fi play
Tracking Force for Stanton 500.v3 (2 - 5g Range)
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Knowzy
post Jul 8 2010, 07:07
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Supposing I've got a brand new Stanton T.92 USB turntable and I'm getting ready to produce some samples.

It comes with a pre-mounted (and presumably pre-aligned) Stanton 500.v3 cartridge. As a DJ cartridge, it has a wide range- 2 to 5 grams- and no specific recommendation within.

The tonearm is balanced and the counterweight dial zeroed. What tracking force do you think I should set?

Normally the consensus is to set the tracking force near the top of the range and I'm inclined to use 4.5 grams.

However, as a DJ cartridge, the top of the range is designed to ensure stability amidst violent scratching motions, which I won't be doing. Maybe 4.5 is overkill for trackability.

So, I'm throwing the question open to HA to see if we can't come to an agreement before I began sampling.




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botface
post Jul 9 2010, 09:01
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Don't you have a test record? If not I'd set it at around 3 grams and play something with sudden loud peaks. That should make it easier to spot any mistracking. Then increase if necessary. Being a spherical stylus I wouldn't go below 3 grams. I'm not saying that out of any special knowledge just that the Shure cartridge in the M75 series that had a spherical stylus had a recommended tracking weight of 3 grams so I doubt that the Stanton would be able to do any better
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post Jul 9 2010, 11:41
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QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 04:01) *
Don't you have a test record? If not I'd set it at around 3 grams and play something with sudden loud peaks.


Good basic advice - try some demaning tracks from a test record, and then maybe add a half a gram for some safety margin.

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Being a spherical stylus I wouldn't go below 3 grams.


I don't know about that. Back in the day when sperical styli were all we had, tracking under 2 grams was pretty common. Trackability is about the dynamics of the cartrdige which are dominated by other parts of the stylus assembly than the diamond tip. Elliptical stylii tend to have smaller contact areas and so they need lighter tracking for equal levels of record wear.

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I'm not saying that out of any special knowledge just that the Shure cartridge in the M75 series that had a spherical stylus had a recommended tracking weight of 3 grams so I doubt that the Stanton would be able to do any better


IME Shure has been the king of tracking in any part of the cartrdige market.
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Knowzy
post Jul 9 2010, 18:26
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QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jul 9 2010, 03:41) *
QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 04:01) *
Don't you have a test record? If not I'd set it at around 3 grams and play something with sudden loud peaks.


Good basic advice - try some demaning tracks from a test record, and then maybe add a half a gram for some safety margin.

Yes, I like this idea.

I use HFN002 and The Ultimate Analogue Test LP in testing each turntable. I bought new copies for this round of testing.

HFN002 has a set of four tracks with a 300Hz test tone at increasing levels: +12dB, +14dB, +16dB and +18dB. The latter is referred to as the "Torture Track."

What do you think of this plan:
  • Use the +16dB track
  • Start with 2.5 grams
  • Each time I detect a mistrack, I'll add .25 grams
  • Once it tracks succesfully, I'll add .5 grams, as Arnold suggests
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post Jul 9 2010, 19:09
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Aren't those tracks for setting bias? I have HFN001 and the tracking tests are all on side 2 and are at +15dB. Still, I don't see why you couldn't use the test tracks you're referring to for ascertaining a suitable tracking weight. I'd start with the lowest level cut and with a weight at the high end, say 4 grams. Reason being that once you've caused mistracking you've damaged the record so it's best to start with something that should be safe and go from there. My approach would be :
1) Use the +12dB track at 4 grams
2). If that's OK try the +14dB track at 4 grams.
3) If that's OK try the +16dB track at 4 grams
4) If that's OK repeat the tests at 3.5 grams
and so on. If at any stage you get mistracking add .5 grams and start again from that point. Once I was happy I'd double check by using the tracks on side 2 (assuming HFN002 is the same as HFN001)

I actually still use HFS75 for this purpose. You might be interested to know that it's sleeve notes say that +14dB "represents a typical hi-fi standard, achieved within the range of most high quality cartridges". So, I wouldn't worry too much if +16dB proved unachievable

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- Knowzy   Tracking Force Suggestions for Stanton 500.v3 Cartridge?   Jul 8 2010, 07:07
- - Axon   Would it be too snarky of an answer to say that th...   Jul 8 2010, 21:50
|- - Knowzy   Before I say too much more, I should disclose that...   Jul 8 2010, 22:28
- - Knowzy   I posed this question to Stanton's tech suppor...   Jul 9 2010, 00:04
|- - Canar   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 8 2010, 18:04) The cu...   Jul 9 2010, 00:50
- - RonaldDumsfeld   The real answer is to experiment and find out for ...   Jul 9 2010, 04:07
- - botface   Don't you have a test record? If not I'd s...   Jul 9 2010, 09:01
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 04:01) Don...   Jul 9 2010, 11:41
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Jul 9 2010, 03...   Jul 9 2010, 18:26
|- - botface   Aren't those tracks for setting bias? I have H...   Jul 9 2010, 19:09
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 9 2010, 11:09) Aren...   Jul 10 2010, 07:07
- - Knowzy   Using the +15dB track, I tested down to 2.25g and ...   Jul 12 2010, 01:09
|- - botface   I can hear mistracking in the right channel of the...   Jul 12 2010, 09:57
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 12 2010, 01:57) I ca...   Jul 12 2010, 22:47
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 12 2010, 22:47) Axon ...   Jul 13 2010, 14:04
- - 2Bdecided   Yes, it's important to remember that once the ...   Jul 12 2010, 13:07
- - botface   QUOTE If you can hear mistracking then clearly I d...   Jul 13 2010, 09:00
- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 13 2010, 01:00) If y...   Jul 13 2010, 18:11
- - Knowzy   The Short Version I found my tracking force: 4 gra...   Jul 14 2010, 06:20
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Knowzy @ Jul 14 2010, 06:20) Then ...   Jul 14 2010, 11:02
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (cliveb @ Jul 14 2010, 03:02) envir...   Jul 15 2010, 16:16
- - Knowzy   I'm now using 5 grams of tracking force (the t...   Jul 26 2010, 22:48
- - botface   What you're describing can often be the result...   Jul 27 2010, 09:34
|- - Knowzy   QUOTE (botface @ Jul 27 2010, 01:34) What...   Jul 27 2010, 16:45
|- - Snackcakes   I have the same table. this is some great info.   Sep 20 2011, 18:46
- - Glenn Gundlach   When I worked in stereo stores, I recommended usin...   Sep 20 2011, 23:08
- - Defkon 1   sorry Im very new to this forum and I can't se...   Dec 14 2013, 05:26


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