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The Pre-echo Machine, ABXing Kraftwerk's The Man Machine at 320kbps CBR Mp3
/mnt
post Mar 26 2011, 15:00
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A few more tracks that completely owns Mp3 at 320kbps:

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 13:39:28

File A: I:\Music\Kraftwerk - Tour de France (Maxi-Single)\02. Tour de France (Kling Klang Analog Mix).flac
File B: C:\Temp\Tour de France (Kling Klang Analog Mix).mp3

13:39:28 : Test started.
13:39:54 : 01/01 50.0%
13:39:59 : 02/02 25.0%
13:40:05 : 03/03 12.5%
13:40:09 : 04/04 6.3%
13:40:21 : 05/05 3.1%
13:40:26 : 06/06 1.6%
13:40:32 : 07/07 0.8%
13:40:45 : 08/08 0.4%
13:40:52 : 09/09 0.2%
13:40:59 : 10/10 0.1%
13:41:03 : 11/11 0.0%
13:41:06 : 12/12 0.0%
13:41:12 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)

Has very obvious disortion on the sharp transients at 0:02 - 0:05.

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 13:42:19

File A: I:\Music\Kraftwerk - Tour de France (Maxi-Single)\03. Tour de France (Remix François K).flac
File B: C:\Temp\Tour de France (Remix François K).mp3

13:42:19 : Test started.
13:42:37 : 01/01 50.0%
13:42:41 : 02/02 25.0%
13:42:47 : 03/03 12.5%
13:42:53 : 04/04 6.3%
13:43:00 : 05/05 3.1%
13:43:09 : 06/06 1.6%
13:43:14 : 07/07 0.8%
13:43:18 : 08/08 0.4%
13:43:26 : 09/09 0.2%
13:43:32 : 10/10 0.1%
13:43:37 : 11/11 0.0%
13:43:43 : 12/12 0.0%
13:43:44 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)

Very obivous preecho artifacts past the 0:30 mark.

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 13:23:02

File A: I:\Music\Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine\08. That's What I Get.flac
File B: C:\Temp\That's What I Get.mp3

13:23:02 : Test started.
13:23:31 : 01/01 50.0%
13:23:38 : 02/02 25.0%
13:23:44 : 03/03 12.5%
13:23:52 : 04/04 6.3%
13:24:04 : 05/05 3.1%
13:24:08 : 06/06 1.6%
13:24:17 : 07/07 0.8%
13:24:28 : 08/08 0.4%
13:24:35 : 09/09 0.2%
13:24:47 : 10/10 0.1%
13:24:54 : 11/11 0.0%
13:25:01 : 12/12 0.0%
13:25:02 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)

Horrid 'bomb like preecho' artifacts throughout 2:40 - 3:20, sounds like a more softer version of eig. I will upload a sample of this track during the weekend.

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 13:26:08

File A: I:\Music\Front 242 - Front by Front\03. Im Rhythmus Bleiben.flac
File B: C:\Temp\Im Rhythmus Bleiben.mp3

13:26:08 : Test started.
13:26:22 : 01/01 50.0%
13:26:27 : 02/02 25.0%
13:26:30 : 03/03 12.5%
13:26:33 : 04/04 6.3%
13:26:38 : 05/05 3.1%
13:26:41 : 06/06 1.6%
13:26:46 : 07/07 0.8%
13:26:51 : 08/08 0.4%
13:26:56 : 09/09 0.2%
13:27:01 : 10/10 0.1%
13:27:07 : 11/11 0.0%
13:27:10 : 12/12 0.0%
13:27:12 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)

A 'splash sound' preecho appears around the first 10 secs of this track.

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 13:28:38

File A: I:\Music\Front 242 - Front by Front\11. Headhunter (V1.0).flac
File B: C:\Temp\Headhunter (V1.0).mp3

13:28:38 : Test started.
13:29:18 : 01/01 50.0%
13:29:26 : 02/02 25.0%
13:29:31 : 03/03 12.5%
13:29:35 : 04/04 6.3%
13:29:43 : 05/05 3.1%
13:29:49 : 06/06 1.6%
13:29:57 : 07/07 0.8%
13:30:05 : 08/08 0.4%
13:30:12 : 09/09 0.2%
13:30:18 : 10/10 0.1%
13:30:23 : 11/11 0.0%
13:30:30 : 12/12 0.0%
13:30:31 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)

Obvious disortion at 2:29, due to preecho being caused by sharp transients.

This post has been edited by /mnt: Mar 26 2011, 15:07


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post Mar 26 2011, 15:38
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What mp3 encoder and version did you use?
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post Mar 26 2011, 15:43
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QUOTE (robert @ Mar 26 2011, 15:38) *
What mp3 encoder and version did you use?


LAME 3.98.4 at -b 320. Also those artifacts appear on LAME 3.97 at V2 --vbr-new as well.


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post Mar 26 2011, 15:53
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Would you mind testing latest LAME 3.99a14 ?
It contains changes for LAME's CBR mode.
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post Mar 26 2011, 16:23
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QUOTE (robert @ Mar 26 2011, 15:53) *
Would you mind testing latest LAME 3.99a14 ?
It contains changes for LAME's CBR mode.


I have done a quick test with LAME 3.99a14 (64bit), and I found no improvement from 3.98:

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foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 15:10:11

File A: I:\Music\Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine\08. That's What I Get.flac
File B: C:\Temp\LAME 3.99 Encodes\That's What I Get.mp3

15:10:11 : Test started.
15:10:33 : 01/01 50.0%
15:10:40 : 02/02 25.0%
15:10:44 : 03/03 12.5%
15:10:51 : 04/04 6.3%
15:11:01 : 05/05 3.1%
15:11:15 : 06/06 1.6%
15:11:22 : 07/07 0.8%
15:11:30 : 08/08 0.4%
15:11:39 : 09/09 0.2%
15:11:45 : 10/10 0.1%
15:11:46 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)


CODE
foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 15:14:41

File A: I:\Music\Front 242 - Front by Front\03. Im Rhythmus Bleiben.flac
File B: C:\Temp\LAME 3.99 Encodes\Im Rhythmus Bleiben.mp3

15:14:41 : Test started.
15:15:01 : 01/01 50.0%
15:15:05 : 02/02 25.0%
15:15:08 : 03/03 12.5%
15:15:12 : 04/04 6.3%
15:15:15 : 05/05 3.1%
15:15:18 : 06/06 1.6%
15:15:21 : 07/07 0.8%
15:15:25 : 08/08 0.4%
15:15:31 : 09/09 0.2%
15:15:35 : 10/10 0.1%
15:15:40 : 11/11 0.0%
15:15:45 : 12/12 0.0%
15:15:46 : Test finished.

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Total: 12/12 (0.0%)


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foobar2000 v1.1.6 beta 1
2011/03/26 15:16:32

File A: I:\Music\Front 242 - Front by Front\11. Headhunter (V1.0).flac
File B: C:\Temp\LAME 3.99 Encodes\Headhunter (V1.0).mp3

15:16:32 : Test started.
15:16:54 : 01/01 50.0%
15:16:58 : 02/02 25.0%
15:17:03 : 03/03 12.5%
15:17:07 : 04/04 6.3%
15:17:10 : 05/05 3.1%
15:17:14 : 06/06 1.6%
15:17:18 : 07/07 0.8%
15:17:22 : 08/08 0.4%
15:17:28 : 09/09 0.2%
15:17:32 : 10/10 0.1%
15:17:37 : 11/11 0.0%
15:17:41 : 12/12 0.0%
15:17:42 : Test finished.




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