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WMP and Folder.jpg being overwritten, possible solution?
koawmfot
post Oct 14 2009, 19:15
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There are many documented instances of WMP overwriting folder.jpg with a 200x200 version when adding mp3 files to the WMP library.

some examples:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=50810&st=0
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=648437
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=551685
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=767036
http://www.vistaheads.com/forums/microsoft...load-issue.html

you can google "wmp folder.jpg overwritten" for others...

anyway, there was a key posted in antother thread that after playing with i think i may have found the answer. i posted this in one of the above threads, but it was for Windows 7 beta so i don't know if it will be missed. anyway...

if you add the below values it appears that WMP will NOT generate or resize new folder.jpg OR AlbumArtSmall.jpg files. IF folder.jpg (or AlbumArtSmall) already exist(s), it does not resize it but mearly sets the HIDDEN and SYSTEM attributes. so if you have a folder.jpg and/or an albumartsmall.jpg file at 1500x1500, it will leave them alone (except for hiding them...).

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Preferences]
"LargeAlbumArtSize"=dword:ffffffff
"SmallAlbumArtSize"=dword:ffffffff

can anyone out there verify this? i tired with a brand new database and a few albums. a quick outside verification would be great. thanks.

obviously all the automatic updating features are turned off in WMP and Media Center as well. i have not tested with them on.

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Vig2000
post Dec 29 2009, 21:40
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Hello everyone, I have a couple of quick questions here:

First, once WMP "overwrites" the original folder.jpg, is it permanently deleted? Please tell me that there's a way to retrieve the original folder.jpg...Luckily, I've embedded all my original artwork into each one of my music files, so if worse comes worst, I can always extract the embedded art to create a new folder.jpg based on the original, embedded artwork.

Secondly, besides "overwriting" folder.jpg, does WMP alter music files in any other way? Specifically, does it overwrite any of the ID3 tag information? Not only do I use my own artwork, but I also custom tag my files, and I would hate to have WMP alter my tags in addition to getting rid of my custom artwork.

Man, this is such a huge pain. Shame on Microsoft!

Thank you for everyone's help!
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post Dec 29 2009, 23:17
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QUOTE (Vig2000 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:40) *
Man, this is such a huge pain. Shame on Microsoft!
As mentioned in other threads, "Folder.jpg" is considered a reserved file by Explorer for Folder images (and has been for a very, very long time)... so it's best to just assume it will be manipulated and avoid it for storage. See my old post here...
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post Dec 29 2009, 23:24
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QUOTE (grommet @ Dec 29 2009, 17:17) *
QUOTE (Vig2000 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:40) *
Man, this is such a huge pain. Shame on Microsoft!
As mentioned in other threads, "Folder.jpg" is considered a reserved file by Explorer for Folder images (and has been for a very, very long time)... so it's best to just assume it will be manipulated and avoid it for storage. See my old post here...


Thanks...I saw your old post...As far as you know, does WMP (version 12) attempt to alter the embedded artwork? For that matter, does WMP alter any part of the ID3 tags?
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post Dec 29 2009, 23:32
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QUOTE (Vig2000 @ Dec 29 2009, 14:24) *
Thanks...I saw your old post...As far as you know, does WMP (version 12) attempt to alter the embedded artwork? For that matter, does WMP alter any part of the ID3 tags?
No, WMP 12/11/10 does not alter embedded artwork (it fact, WMP 12 removed the buggy advaced tag editor that allowed manipulation of embedded art all... now you need to use external tools). It also won't change any tags, unless you tell it to change something. Just make sure you avoid ID3v2.4 for MP3 at all costs... use de facto standard ID3v2.3 tagging, and you will have excellent cross-application/device compatibility. (foobar2000 might be the only application to default to ID3v2.4, so if you do ever want to use it to edit tags... make sure you change the default.)

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QUOTE (grommet @ Dec 29 2009, 17:32) *
It also won't change any tags, unless you tell it to change something.


Sorry, but another n00b question (I've never used WMP before): What about the "Automatic media information updates for files" in the Library options as shown below? I recently discovered that I have the same setup as shown below, in that "Retrieve additional information from the Internet" and "Only add missing information" were both checked off. Wouldn't this update the ID3 tags (only filling in missing information)? And what "missing information" would WMP add exactly? Thanks again.

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QUOTE (Vig2000 @ Dec 29 2009, 16:10) *
QUOTE (grommet @ Dec 29 2009, 17:32) *
It also won't change any tags, unless you tell it to change something.


Sorry, but another n00b question (I've never used WMP before): What about the "Automatic media information updates for files" in the Library options as shown below? I recently discovered that I have the same setup as shown below, in that "Retrieve additional information from the Internet" and "Only add missing information" were both checked off. Wouldn't this update the ID3 tags (only filling in missing information)? And what "missing information" would WMP add exactly? Thanks again.


I think the default is 'automatically update' + 'only add missing', and that won't be trouble for most... unless your MP3 files aren't tagged using ID3v2.3.

Missing information would anything standard that is missing... for example, if you don't have an Album Title entered, it will try to identify the track and enter that data for you. If you don't have a Song Title, it might be able to figure it out. It'll also try to point the album/track to appropriate album art if it's missing. It uses various methods including audio fingerprinting, or the source CD's TOC (assuming it was ripped using a program that embedded a compatible TOC).
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post Dec 30 2009, 03:15
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QUOTE (grommet @ Dec 29 2009, 20:35) *
I think the default is 'automatically update' + 'only add missing', and that won't be trouble for most... unless your MP3 files aren't tagged using ID3v2.3.

Missing information would anything standard that is missing... for example, if you don't have an Album Title entered, it will try to identify the track and enter that data for you. If you don't have a Song Title, it might be able to figure it out. It'll also try to point the album/track to appropriate album art if it's missing. It uses various methods including audio fingerprinting, or the source CD's TOC (assuming it was ripped using a program that embedded a compatible TOC).


Well, thank God that the default isn't "Overwrite all media information." Not only did WMP overwrite all my custom artwork, but it could've also potentially ruined my custom tagging. I am officially done with WMP. Now I have to go and extract my custom artwork from all my audio files, which at least is way easier than re-tagging all my audio files (had WMP overwritten the ID3 tags).

All this because I wanted to find an aesthetically nicer interface than Winamp. Yes, it is a nicer interface, but not worth the headache of losing your custom artwork and/or tagging.

Is iTunes like this as well?


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post Dec 30 2009, 07:42
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QUOTE (Vig2000 @ Dec 29 2009, 18:15) *
Well, thank God that the default isn't "Overwrite all media information." Not only did WMP overwrite all my custom artwork, but it could've also potentially ruined my custom tagging. I am officially done with WMP. Now I have to go and extract my custom artwork from all my audio files, which at least is way easier than re-tagging all my audio files (had WMP overwritten the ID3 tags).

All this because I wanted to find an aesthetically nicer interface than Winamp. Yes, it is a nicer interface, but not worth the headache of losing your custom artwork and/or tagging.

Is iTunes like this as well?
Well, it won't and didn't ruin your custom tagging... so relax. laugh.gif As stated, it isn't just WMP... the hidden/system file Folder.jpg is part of the Explorer shell... so avoid depending on it if at all possible. If you've already embedded art in the actual song files, does it matter? Use a different filename if you want a file version of the art, too.

iTunes doesn't support reading art from Folder.jpg.

There are other media application you can look into, some far more graphic oritented: Media Monkey, Zune, J. River Media Center, etc... Windows Media Center as part of the OS, too.

I have my content added to all these applications and more, and have no trouble with interoperability. (Well, other that foobar2000's strategy of not supporting Album Artist in MP3 as used by virtually every other media product: TPE, aka BAND. Annoying.) Good luck.

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