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Why does there seem to be a lack of interest in Musepack?
nycjv321
post Aug 19 2009, 01:08
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Musepack is still as good as mp3 if not better and on par with modern codecs and vorbis and aac so why does no one talk about it? I was murking around the forum wiki and found out musepack was opensource which is a big plus for me... and older abx tests have it on par with aotuv or lame so why no talk? is it becuase of slow development? I think this is unfair if the codec is already so good no more tuning is needed..... any reason why people don't use mpc anymore other then compatibility? (converting from lossless to another format isn't too trivial... lol....)
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post Aug 20 2009, 05:18
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QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 19 2009, 01:08) *
Musepack is still as good as mp3 if not better and on par with modern codecs and vorbis and aac so why does no one talk about it? I was murking around the forum wiki and found out musepack was opensource which is a big plus for me... and older abx tests have it on par with aotuv or lame so why no talk? is it becuase of slow development? I think this is unfair if the codec is already so good no more tuning is needed..... any reason why people don't use mpc anymore other then compatibility? (converting from lossless to another format isn't too trivial... lol....)

For starters, LAME is almost as good as MPC, and Vorbis can be said to be even better.

So, if LAME is on par with MPC, but it has 50 times the hw support, why bother with MPC?

And if you want better quality than LAME, why don't go with Vorbis wich still has much better HW support than MPC.

Or even more, go with FLAC.

Other problem i see is that for a long time, it was almost abandoned, and no new dev was being done.

This is how i see it.

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post Aug 21 2009, 01:41
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 20 2009, 00:18) *
QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 19 2009, 01:08) *
Musepack is still as good as mp3 if not better and on par with modern codecs and vorbis and aac so why does no one talk about it? I was murking around the forum wiki and found out musepack was opensource which is a big plus for me... and older abx tests have it on par with aotuv or lame so why no talk? is it becuase of slow development? I think this is unfair if the codec is already so good no more tuning is needed..... any reason why people don't use mpc anymore other then compatibility? (converting from lossless to another format isn't too trivial... lol....)

For starters, LAME is almost as good as MPC, and Vorbis can be said to be even better.

So, if LAME is on par with MPC, but it has 50 times the hw support, why bother with MPC?

And if you want better quality than LAME, why don't go with Vorbis wich still has much better HW support than MPC.

Or even more, go with FLAC.

Other problem i see is that for a long time, it was almost abandoned, and no new dev was being done.

This is how i see it.



dude I don't care about hardware support first of all its not only about "hardware support"...... its also about compatibility, licensing, quality....
1. Foobar2000+lossless backups has fixed all my compatibility needs
2. Vorbis (the codec and its encoders (oggenc) are open source (just found out mpc was and which is why I asked what happened)
3. Vorbis achieves "apparent transparency" for most people at q4 128kbs (I encode to q6-8 though)

development doesn't really matter becuase if the codec is already matured then why bother asking "for more"? Its like people talking about neroaac lacking development somewhere else on this forum.... it works great so why ask for more? you can only go so far...... its a lossy codec. I am the one looking for the hardware that supports my music format of choice not the other way around... goes back to the point about a small group of people in closed door rooms choosing codecs for me NOT FOR ME.... granted this is difficult to do but foobar2000 to the rescue!!! biggrin.gif

And it sounds like your actually comparing lame to aoTuV LOL..... WOW

telling me to go to vorbis becuase of hardware support really kills your argument of choosing lame becuase it has more support then all the codecs so why not just use lame? wait thats becuase hardware isn't the only factor in choosing a format of choice....
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QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 21 2009, 01:41) *
I am the one looking for the hardware that supports my music format of choice not the other way around...
That's rather limiting.

I mean, I could choose vinyl as my music format of choice, but it's not going to play very well in the car wink.gif

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David.

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- nycjv321   Why does there seem to be a lack of interest in Musepack?   Aug 19 2009, 01:08
- - Soap   I believe the answer is because MPC is on par with...   Aug 19 2009, 01:16
- - nycjv321   wow.... oh ok that sucks though I am willing to sa...   Aug 19 2009, 01:27
- - /mnt   I agree with Soap about the public being more inte...   Aug 19 2009, 01:29
- - rpp3po   The point is hardware support.   Aug 19 2009, 01:44
- - /mnt   If open source is big plus to you, i would recomme...   Aug 19 2009, 01:51
- - viktor   the future (present) of music on pc is lossless. o...   Aug 19 2009, 02:03
|- - prankstare   QUOTE the future (present) of music on pc is lossl...   Oct 13 2009, 19:01
|- - viktor   QUOTE (prankstare @ Oct 13 2009, 20:01) Q...   Oct 13 2009, 19:38
- - Antonski   Well, it's a matter of choice, you know. For m...   Aug 19 2009, 02:17
- - twostar   Years ago when HD space was an issue, high quality...   Aug 19 2009, 02:38
- - shadowking   I disagree somewhat. The core values of HA sure ha...   Aug 19 2009, 03:31
|- - patmcg   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 18 2009, 16:31) I...   Aug 19 2009, 07:20
- - shadowking   128k is a reduction in standards. I am not telling...   Aug 19 2009, 07:54
|- - Soap   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 02:54) I...   Aug 19 2009, 12:39
||- - bawjaws   QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 19 2009, 03:39) I do de...   Aug 20 2009, 16:59
||- - halb27   QUOTE (bawjaws @ Aug 20 2009, 17:59) How ...   Aug 20 2009, 17:59
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 08:54) ....   Aug 19 2009, 12:50
|- - viktor   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 07:54) I...   Aug 21 2009, 15:01
- - nycjv321   I think (or at least would hope) people want hq on...   Aug 19 2009, 12:09
- - Alexxander   QUOTE (viktor @ Aug 19 2009, 03:03) the f...   Aug 19 2009, 12:44
|- - viktor   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Aug 19 2009, 12:44) Q...   Aug 21 2009, 15:21
- - Grinderman   I returned relatively recently to HA after quite a...   Aug 19 2009, 13:11
- - 2Bdecided   I think the world continued to be dominated by the...   Aug 19 2009, 13:28
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 06:28) I ...   Aug 19 2009, 16:55
|- - David Nordin   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 14:28) 1....   Aug 20 2009, 16:33
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|- - Wyld Stallyn   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 13:28) bu...   Mar 29 2013, 16:20
|- - 2Bdecided   I bet when you dragged this thread up from the dep...   Mar 29 2013, 16:34
|- - Wyld Stallyn   I didn't actually look at the timestamp. Now t...   Mar 29 2013, 16:37
- - GeSomeone   I have used Musepack for quite some time and of co...   Aug 19 2009, 14:49
- - Kitsuned   For the lower bitrates (below 128kbps) musepack co...   Aug 19 2009, 20:24
- - Destroid   I think Musepack is a perfectly usable format for ...   Aug 20 2009, 00:25
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Destroid @ Aug 20 2009, 00:25) I t...   Aug 20 2009, 09:12
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 19 2009, 01:08) Mus...   Aug 20 2009, 05:18
|- - nycjv321   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 20 2009, 00:18) QUOT...   Aug 21 2009, 01:41
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 21 2009, 01:41) I a...   Aug 21 2009, 09:25
||- - Soap   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 21 2009, 04:25) QU...   Aug 21 2009, 14:45
|- - twostar   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:41) dud...   Aug 21 2009, 13:16
|- - nycjv321   QUOTE (twostar @ Aug 21 2009, 08:16) QUOT...   Aug 21 2009, 14:35
|- - AshenTech   QUOTE (twostar @ Aug 21 2009, 06:16) QUOT...   Sep 10 2009, 16:28
|- - viktor   QUOTE (AshenTech @ Sep 10 2009, 16:28) ac...   Sep 10 2009, 18:44
- - halb27   I think those who have a mpc music library and no ...   Aug 20 2009, 12:06
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (halb27 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:06) I thi...   Aug 20 2009, 13:00
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 20 2009, 14:00) Pe...   Aug 20 2009, 15:56
|- - halb27   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 20 2009, 14:00) Th...   Aug 20 2009, 16:11
- - Antonski   QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 19 2009, 03:16) The pub...   Aug 20 2009, 15:52
- - Brother John   2Bdecided has a valid point here. CDs don’t ...   Aug 20 2009, 16:15
- - vpa   AFAIK: Musepack is based on MP2, and therefore onl...   Aug 20 2009, 17:50
- - Aquamarine   Yeah, me too. I will not sacrifice my mp3 quality ...   Aug 20 2009, 18:33
- - nycjv321   umm why was the original title of this topic chang...   Aug 21 2009, 02:44
- - String Theory   Musepack didn't interest me until yesterday. A...   May 19 2010, 12:24
|- - dv1989   QUOTE (String Theory @ May 19 2010, 12:24...   May 19 2010, 13:05
|- - String Theory   QUOTE (dv1989 @ May 19 2010, 14:05) QUOTE...   May 19 2010, 13:08
- - dv1989   By "awesome", I presume you mean transpa...   May 19 2010, 13:16


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