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Why does there seem to be a lack of interest in Musepack?
nycjv321
post Aug 19 2009, 01:08
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Musepack is still as good as mp3 if not better and on par with modern codecs and vorbis and aac so why does no one talk about it? I was murking around the forum wiki and found out musepack was opensource which is a big plus for me... and older abx tests have it on par with aotuv or lame so why no talk? is it becuase of slow development? I think this is unfair if the codec is already so good no more tuning is needed..... any reason why people don't use mpc anymore other then compatibility? (converting from lossless to another format isn't too trivial... lol....)
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shadowking
post Aug 19 2009, 07:54
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128k is a reduction in standards. I am not telling anyone to NOT use it as that would be anti-freedom. This new mantra " just use lossless and stuff the other format cause mp3 is universal 128k should be fine" I find objectionable.

I like lossless , But shouldn't we be using it outside of our Pc as well ? I would like to take the same quality library everywhere i can. If HA members don't demand HQ playback DAP (gapless, lossless, exotic lossy..) - who will ?


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post Aug 19 2009, 12:39
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QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 02:54) *
I like lossless , But shouldn't we be using it outside of our Pc as well ? I would like to take the same quality library everywhere i can. If HA members don't demand HQ playback DAP (gapless, lossless, exotic lossy..) - who will ?


What does it mean to "take the same quality library everywhere I can"?

I can transcode my FLACs to MP3 upon transfer to my portable almost as fast as I can fill the portable's drive. I am pretty sure the next computer I buy will be able to transcode as fast as it can copy to a slow HDD. At that point what, exactly, is the advantage of not transcoding?

I do demand HQ playback on my DAP. I'm just not delusional enough to believe I can hear the difference between FLAC and LAME v3 on my DAP, and would rather have the battery life and size advantages of MP3.


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post Aug 20 2009, 16:59
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QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 19 2009, 03:39) *
I do demand HQ playback on my DAP. I'm just not delusional enough to believe I can hear the difference between FLAC and LAME v3 on my DAP, and would rather have the battery life and size advantages of MP3.


How does lossless like Flac measure up to MP3 or AAC in battery life?

I'd imagine if you've got a spinning disk in your DAP then that will give the large FLAC files a major disadvantage but many are flash memory based now. Obviously this makes it less likely that you can fit your entire collection without lossy transcoding, but what if you can? I believe Flac decode is less processor intensive in theory but does dedicated hardware support make the difference, or does bitrate alone have the biggest impact?

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post Aug 20 2009, 17:59
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QUOTE (bawjaws @ Aug 20 2009, 17:59) *
How does lossless like Flac measure up to MP3 or AAC in battery life? ...

When I switched from mp3 (for the major part) and wavPack lossy to lossyWAV + FLAC on my HD based iRiver H140 battery life turned better in a very noticable way.


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- nycjv321   Why does there seem to be a lack of interest in Musepack?   Aug 19 2009, 01:08
- - Soap   I believe the answer is because MPC is on par with...   Aug 19 2009, 01:16
- - nycjv321   wow.... oh ok that sucks though I am willing to sa...   Aug 19 2009, 01:27
- - /mnt   I agree with Soap about the public being more inte...   Aug 19 2009, 01:29
- - rpp3po   The point is hardware support.   Aug 19 2009, 01:44
- - /mnt   If open source is big plus to you, i would recomme...   Aug 19 2009, 01:51
- - viktor   the future (present) of music on pc is lossless. o...   Aug 19 2009, 02:03
|- - prankstare   QUOTE the future (present) of music on pc is lossl...   Oct 13 2009, 19:01
|- - viktor   QUOTE (prankstare @ Oct 13 2009, 20:01) Q...   Oct 13 2009, 19:38
- - Antonski   Well, it's a matter of choice, you know. For m...   Aug 19 2009, 02:17
- - twostar   Years ago when HD space was an issue, high quality...   Aug 19 2009, 02:38
- - shadowking   I disagree somewhat. The core values of HA sure ha...   Aug 19 2009, 03:31
|- - patmcg   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 18 2009, 16:31) I...   Aug 19 2009, 07:20
- - shadowking   128k is a reduction in standards. I am not telling...   Aug 19 2009, 07:54
|- - Soap   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 02:54) I...   Aug 19 2009, 12:39
||- - bawjaws   QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 19 2009, 03:39) I do de...   Aug 20 2009, 16:59
||- - halb27   QUOTE (bawjaws @ Aug 20 2009, 17:59) How ...   Aug 20 2009, 17:59
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 08:54) ....   Aug 19 2009, 12:50
|- - viktor   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 19 2009, 07:54) I...   Aug 21 2009, 15:01
- - nycjv321   I think (or at least would hope) people want hq on...   Aug 19 2009, 12:09
- - Alexxander   QUOTE (viktor @ Aug 19 2009, 03:03) the f...   Aug 19 2009, 12:44
|- - viktor   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Aug 19 2009, 12:44) Q...   Aug 21 2009, 15:21
- - Grinderman   I returned relatively recently to HA after quite a...   Aug 19 2009, 13:11
- - 2Bdecided   I think the world continued to be dominated by the...   Aug 19 2009, 13:28
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 06:28) I ...   Aug 19 2009, 16:55
|- - David Nordin   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 14:28) 1....   Aug 20 2009, 16:33
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|- - DonP   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 07:28) I ...   May 19 2010, 14:07
|- - Wyld Stallyn   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 19 2009, 13:28) bu...   Mar 29 2013, 16:20
|- - 2Bdecided   I bet when you dragged this thread up from the dep...   Mar 29 2013, 16:34
|- - Wyld Stallyn   I didn't actually look at the timestamp. Now t...   Mar 29 2013, 16:37
- - GeSomeone   I have used Musepack for quite some time and of co...   Aug 19 2009, 14:49
- - Kitsuned   For the lower bitrates (below 128kbps) musepack co...   Aug 19 2009, 20:24
- - Destroid   I think Musepack is a perfectly usable format for ...   Aug 20 2009, 00:25
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Destroid @ Aug 20 2009, 00:25) I t...   Aug 20 2009, 09:12
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 19 2009, 01:08) Mus...   Aug 20 2009, 05:18
|- - nycjv321   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 20 2009, 00:18) QUOT...   Aug 21 2009, 01:41
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 21 2009, 01:41) I a...   Aug 21 2009, 09:25
||- - Soap   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 21 2009, 04:25) QU...   Aug 21 2009, 14:45
|- - twostar   QUOTE (nycjv321 @ Aug 21 2009, 08:41) dud...   Aug 21 2009, 13:16
|- - nycjv321   QUOTE (twostar @ Aug 21 2009, 08:16) QUOT...   Aug 21 2009, 14:35
|- - AshenTech   QUOTE (twostar @ Aug 21 2009, 06:16) QUOT...   Sep 10 2009, 16:28
|- - viktor   QUOTE (AshenTech @ Sep 10 2009, 16:28) ac...   Sep 10 2009, 18:44
- - halb27   I think those who have a mpc music library and no ...   Aug 20 2009, 12:06
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (halb27 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:06) I thi...   Aug 20 2009, 13:00
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 20 2009, 14:00) Pe...   Aug 20 2009, 15:56
|- - halb27   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Aug 20 2009, 14:00) Th...   Aug 20 2009, 16:11
- - Antonski   QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 19 2009, 03:16) The pub...   Aug 20 2009, 15:52
- - Brother John   2Bdecided has a valid point here. CDs don’t ...   Aug 20 2009, 16:15
- - vpa   AFAIK: Musepack is based on MP2, and therefore onl...   Aug 20 2009, 17:50
- - Aquamarine   Yeah, me too. I will not sacrifice my mp3 quality ...   Aug 20 2009, 18:33
- - nycjv321   umm why was the original title of this topic chang...   Aug 21 2009, 02:44
- - String Theory   Musepack didn't interest me until yesterday. A...   May 19 2010, 12:24
|- - dv1989   QUOTE (String Theory @ May 19 2010, 12:24...   May 19 2010, 13:05
|- - String Theory   QUOTE (dv1989 @ May 19 2010, 14:05) QUOTE...   May 19 2010, 13:08
- - dv1989   By "awesome", I presume you mean transpa...   May 19 2010, 13:16


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