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thedodgymonkey
post Jun 4 2009, 00:02
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I am trying to classify all my music into quite broad genres. If you could only have ten or less categories for your music what would they be?
Okay, I don't have any completely bazaar music like a Panda playing The Bamboo Flute or my own rendition of Mozart's 5th using bottles and spoons!!!

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post Oct 8 2009, 11:52
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QUOTE (thedodgymonkey @ Jun 4 2009, 01:02) *
I am trying to classify all my music into quite broad genres. If you could only have ten or less categories for your music what would they be?


For what purpose? I split my catalogue into two -- classical music and the rest. The reason is not that Merzbow has more in common with Malmsteen than with Mahler, but that classical music is largely released on a "by composer" basis, and everything else in my collection largely by performer. (Adaptations: Tribute albums -- "all these amateurs cover your favourite band in order to cash-in on their name" -- are treated as if the original were the performer, though. Contemporary composers ... let's say I don't have much doubts on neither Ligeti nor Zappa.)

And foobar2k admits multiple installs, each with its own library. If I had audio books, I would keep them in a third library.

Then I also split the "everything else" catalogue into "various artist" and "everything else" in my directory structure, but not in my foobar music library.

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post Jul 23 2012, 18:52
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QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 8 2009, 12:52) *
I split my catalogue into two -- classical music and the rest. The reason is not that Merzbow has more in common with Malmsteen than with Mahler, but that classical music is largely released on a "by composer" basis, and everything else in my collection largely by performer. (Adaptations: Tribute albums -- "all these amateurs cover your favourite band in order to cash-in on their name" -- are treated as if the original were the performer, though. Contemporary composers ... let's say I don't have much doubts on neither Ligeti nor Zappa.)


Well again I would have to ask myself what is the purpose of the taxonomy. If it were for my purposes, then I wouldn't really need to distinguish between Chopin's marche funèbre and Mitchell's military marches. (I would probably have more objections against joining Arnold Schoenberg's later works with his earliest ones.)

If I were to split so-called classical music (Western, and including 'modern classical') into two broad buckets, then one would have to cover the renaissance through the common practice period plus anything composed in those traditions. Medieval music without harmonies and time signatures would be out, and, insane as it may seem, classified together with 20th century atonal music, John Cage and Ligeti's Volumina. Most composer-oriented (Western) music would fall into these two categories.

At the risk of being too eurocentric, I'd put “ethnic” music including non-classical European folk music, into one bucket. Here goes your grandpa's accordion, at least. And so do all the hymns based on old folk tones. The trouble here is the elites' non-folk music, which is maybe just as adequately joined in with whatever the Pope commissioned twelve hundred years ago.

The troublesome part is the last hundred years. Which, I guess – does anyone have a number? – contributes the vast majority of the known compositions, and styles. Problem is to differentiate everything that originates from proto-blues/jazz, which is ... well, the most. And while progrock isn't jazz, it marks a very crucial break away from blues/rock/pop's verse/chorus way of organizing music.


So, here's my attempt:

(1) Western classical from renaissance and up through the 19th century, including modern compositions in the same genre,
(2) Western “classical” pre and post this broad genre (1), e.g. without (or deviating significantly from) the typical organized means of time signature, scale, harmony, counterpoint, whatnot, and possibly including e.g. related sacred music, like Jewish?
(3) “folk” and “ethnic” excluding blues and country
(4) jazz.
(5) blues, rythm'n'blues (not the modern 'r&b' term) ... and soul?
(6) blues/jazz-derived music which is largely rythm-based: Hip-hop. And ... funk? Problem: a “dance” mix of anything else?
(7) pop/rock: predominantly based on blues/country (well, country could go in here). Include also that jazzrock which isn't jazz, progrock even if it isn't blues-based, punk and hard rock/metal. This bucket could need to be split, and I'm tempted to split away “pop which I don't find interesting” tongue.gif
(8) electronic/industrial, starting from whatever is a bit too far out to go in the modern classical genre and all the way to japanoise. Ambient may go here or in (7).
(9) other modern music which doesn't fit into (10)
(10) “non-music” – well, rather than discussung what music is: this would be “sound that isn't supposed to be listened to the way you listen to music”: test signals, recognize-these-animals, audiobooks (one with fairytales for children should go here even if there is a tune every now and then), spoken word and related (a CD from a WWII documentary shouldn't be counted as classical music just because this CD documenting that moustached Chaplin-lookalike, contains no other “music” than Wagner),



Now ... where to put ragtime?

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post Jul 23 2012, 22:51
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QUOTE (Porcus @ Jul 23 2012, 19:52) *
Now ... where to put ragtime?

Jazz would be possible.
It is just a matter to how many genres you want to limit yourself.
The simple solution is what WonderSlug brought forward. Pick (about) 9 genres and have an extra one called Other.

BTW In the album list of foobar2000 you can view by genre and see how much (albums) of each you have.
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post Jul 24 2012, 02:34
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QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 23 2012, 23:51) *
BTW In the album list of foobar2000 you can view by genre and see how much (albums) of each you have.


Yeah ... if you have tagged it with genre. Or if you are willing to trust your metadata provider. Which, in case of freedb, is an anarchy of opinions, and I am not sure whether Discogs is much better.

Just for the test, I checked through my rips, where about 98 percent has GENRE present, the vast majority taken from a metadata provider (i.e. not done manually). Predictably, the more specific the less correct: lots of metal is tagged as Rock or Pop/Rock. Which is of course correct if you consider metal a subset, but it isn't very informative, especially not to someone who has his classical music organized separately.

And nearly 40 percent of my classical music has merely “Classical” as genre. Again, it isn't wrong, but it isn't very informative. Keyboard, should that include or exclude organ? Metadata sources totally inconsistent.


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QUOTE (Porcus @ Jul 23 2012, 18:34) *
QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 23 2012, 23:51) *
BTW In the album list of foobar2000 you can view by genre and see how much (albums) of each you have.


Yeah ... if you have tagged it with genre. Or if you are willing to trust your metadata provider. Which, in case of freedb, is an anarchy of opinions, and I am not sure whether Discogs is much better.


In re-tagging my music, I'm seriously considering starting a small database who's concern is quality over quantity.
Actual recording date for the date, ISRC numbers when available, the whole 9 yards.

Multiple genre's will be used. IE first listed genre for Beatles would be "Rock" but they would have a second genre of "British Invasion"
That's how I think genre should be used, not just for musical style but for other ways that people may want to group music.

If it is just me contributing it will be very small and if I open it up to outside contributors there will have to be some kind of quality control mechanism, which I'm guessing will result in nasty flame wars and ugliness. Not sure if I really want to go that route. It's not exactly the kind of thing that is really profitable so is it really worth the headaches? I don't know.
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- thedodgymonkey   If you could classify music into ten or fewer genres...   Jun 4 2009, 00:02
- - Canar   Attempt 1: Classical, Jazz, Rock, Folk, Hip-hop, C...   Jun 4 2009, 00:51
- - shakey_snake   Western Classical, Jazz, Pop, Ethnic, Primus Hone...   Jun 6 2009, 08:16
- - onkl   Classical, Pop, Rock, Electronic, Ambient/Downtemp...   Jun 6 2009, 13:15
- - ojdo   My genres, inspired by discogs: Classical Electro...   Jun 6 2009, 17:43
- - TomBarlow   Good question... I will probably miss some stuff.....   Jun 7 2009, 23:32
- - smok3   as it seems one would just need two; a. approved b...   Jun 8 2009, 08:32
|- - pawelq   I think about seven would suffice. For me ;-). 1....   Jun 8 2009, 13:32
- - Axon   Song, in a style suitable for home/personal reprod...   Jun 15 2009, 10:28
- - WonderSlug   1.) Pop Typical Top 40 stuff you hear on the radio...   Jul 6 2009, 05:42
- - audioapprentice   I would use 2. For popular I tend to think in term...   Aug 13 2009, 01:56
|- - Cokemonkey11   Hmm, Acoustic Electronic Mixture that's 3,...   Sep 19 2009, 06:26
- - NeoRenegade   It really varies from person to person based on wh...   Sep 27 2009, 09:12
- - sa_ill   Two Genres: 1. Commercial garbage 2. The Real Stuf...   Oct 8 2009, 08:37
- - Porcus   QUOTE (thedodgymonkey @ Jun 4 2009, 01:02...   Oct 8 2009, 11:52
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (Porcus @ Oct 8 2009, 12:52) I spli...   Jul 23 2012, 18:52
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (Porcus @ Jul 23 2012, 19:52) Now ....   Jul 23 2012, 22:51
|- - Porcus   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ Jul 23 2012, 23:51) BT...   Jul 24 2012, 02:34
|- - AliceWonder   QUOTE (Porcus @ Jul 23 2012, 18:34) QUOTE...   Jul 24 2012, 22:44
- - Zarggg   Change "Electro" for the full "Elec...   Oct 8 2009, 22:44
- - Sixth Street   I use only 9 genres in my library. Although, ther...   Oct 15 2009, 02:45
- - extrabigmehdi   Here's how I would categorize my stuff: 1- C...   Oct 15 2009, 04:08
- - derty2   Genre classes:          Composed          Electro...   Jul 17 2012, 17:49
- - alanofoz   Hmmm... Examine your lists - how would you classi...   Jul 17 2012, 23:41
- - derty2   alanofoz, are you talking to me? Is your post mea...   Jul 18 2012, 00:42
|- - alanofoz   QUOTE (derty2 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:42) alano...   Jul 20 2012, 00:26
- - db1989   That list includes nursery rhymes, occasion-relate...   Jul 18 2012, 10:56
- - AliceWonder   I'm iterate when it comes to music history. Ju...   Jul 21 2012, 16:31
- - AliceWonder   QUOTE (alanofoz @ Jul 19 2012, 16:26) Not...   Jul 21 2012, 16:37
- - r0k   Wow, that's an interesting topic you unearthed...   Jul 22 2012, 08:17
|- - ojdo   QUOTE (r0k @ Jul 22 2012, 15:17) <drea...   Jul 22 2012, 17:45
|- - AliceWonder   QUOTE (r0k @ Jul 22 2012, 00:17) [*]Relig...   Jul 22 2012, 22:51
|- - pawelq   QUOTE (r0k @ Jul 22 2012, 03:17) Classica...   Jul 23 2012, 15:26
- - 53.clubs   I love that this thread has gone on for 3 years an...   Aug 16 2012, 02:17
- - majawe   Punk... ...and non-punk   Nov 17 2012, 12:29
- - nastea   1. House 2. Other thats it really   Nov 18 2012, 04:32
- - Porcus   What about extending these binary choices to allow...   Nov 18 2012, 12:15
|- - db1989   QUOTE (Porcus @ Nov 18 2012, 12:15) What ...   Apr 5 2013, 00:44
- - Wyld Stallyn   I guess I'm a grotesque outsider with my +50 g...   Apr 4 2013, 16:04
- - EagleScout1998   My attempt.... Blues Classical Comedy Country Eas...   Apr 12 2013, 09:08


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