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What bitrate do you use?, MP3,AAC,Vorbis,MPC.
What bitrate do you use?
MP3
V7 or less [ 3 ] ** [0.54%]
V6 [ 7 ] ** [1.25%]
V5 [ 44 ] ** [7.86%]
V4 [ 28 ] ** [5.00%]
V3 [ 42 ] ** [7.50%]
V2 [ 137 ] ** [24.46%]
V1 [ 19 ] ** [3.39%]
V0 [ 110 ] ** [19.64%]
320 kbps [ 51 ] ** [9.11%]
I don't encode to MP3. [ 119 ] ** [21.25%]
Modern codecs: AAC, Vorbis, MPC etc...
~64 kbps or less [ 12 ] ** [2.14%]
~80-96 kbps [ 22 ] ** [3.93%]
~128 kbps [ 59 ] ** [10.54%]
~160 kbps [ 71 ] ** [12.68%]
~192 kbps [ 84 ] ** [15.00%]
~225 kbps [ 39 ] ** [6.96%]
~256 kbps [ 63 ] ** [11.25%]
~320 kbps [ 21 ] ** [3.75%]
More than 320 kbps [ 33 ] ** [5.89%]
I don't use modern codecs. [ 156 ] ** [27.86%]
Total Votes: 718
  
IgorC
post May 25 2009, 21:05
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It will be interesting and maybe usefull to see what bitrates people use mostly for different generation codecs like MP3, AAC, Vorbis etc.


I understand I post this poll in wrong subforum as I haven't rights to create poll in Poll section. Please, don't remove this interesing poll.

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Hardware support for AAC is growing mainly because of Apple's support, which kornchild2002 mentioned above and also its support by major mobile phone manufacturers.

But IMO i think most of the average iPod user's music is likely to be transcoded from 128kbps WMA to 128kbps AAC, by migrating from WMP to iTunes.

ATM Mp3 is still a very competitive codec at mid and high bitrates e.g LAME V2 - V0 due to it being more mature then AAC. IMO i can see future AAC encoders performing alot better, while Mp3 encoder devs are stuck with design flaws i.e. block usage and sfb21.

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QUOTE (/mnt @ Jul 15 2009, 20:24) *
Hardware support for AAC is growing mainly because of Apple's support, which kornchild2002 mentioned above and also its support by major mobile phone manufacturers.

But IMO i think most of the average iPod user's music is likely to be transcoded from 128kbps WMA to 128kbps AAC, by migrating from WMP to iTunes.

ATM Mp3 is still a very competitive codec at mid and high bitrates e.g LAME V2 - V0 due to it being more mature then AAC. IMO i can see future AAC encoders performing alot better, while Mp3 encoder devs are stuck with design flaws i.e. block usage and sfb21.


Well, in 2000 an AAC encoder would give you horrible quality, in 2009 it's on par.

You could argue that sfb21 bloat is a problem with MP3, and you'd be right. It's becoming less of one as storage expands. I could maybe buy into this particular argument if you were talking about those little 4 gigabyte "chewing gum pack" $30 MP3 players (or the same thing from Apple for about $90, minus a screen), but I really don't see your point when a decent hard drive player has almost 200 gigabytes and nothing you ever do will fill it. Hell, even flash players have 32 gigs now and a micro-sdhc expansion port. At any rate you're still arguing about how many weeks or months worth (if played nonstop) of music you can pack onto a device that will be obsolete next year by a model with twice the space that costs half as much. If you did skimp on storage, the -y switch should unbloat the file quite nicely at the expense of a very small amount of quality.

It's getting to the point where file size matters less and less as codec makers are still brutally trying to compete to be the world's tallest midget at absurdly low bitrates. I think that when MP3 has overstayed its welcome, it will be because storage has gotten to where you will think nothing of using lossless formats. I'd expect lossy codecs in total have maybe another 5-6 years left in them, further I have to seriously doubt the relative sanity of anyone who actually buys any lossy files at CD prices. rolleyes.gif To each their own.

Frankly, what concerns me more than anything is how people trust binary-only encoders and decoders that are put out with extremely restrictive terms of use. (And especially with DRM, nothing can guarantee that they'll even be able to get any of their data back out later.)

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- IgorC   What bitrate do you use?   May 25 2009, 21:05
- - Brent   I use FLAC mostly, but in order to get stuff playi...   May 25 2009, 21:25
|- - KlAudio   QUOTE (Brent @ May 25 2009, 22:25) I use ...   May 26 2009, 09:57
- - GeSomeone   It is maybe confusing to put MPC with AAC and Vorb...   May 25 2009, 22:31
- - ManekiNeko   QUOTE (GeSomeone @ May 25 2009, 22:31) It...   May 26 2009, 01:21
- - Alexxander   The first question can be answered easily but not ...   May 26 2009, 09:45
- - memomai   MPC, Vorbis and AAc should be voted seperately. ...   May 26 2009, 10:52
- - LANjackal   I'm surprised this thread hasn't been hose...   May 26 2009, 21:27
- - gorgekko   Voted MP3 and V0. With my tin can ears I could pro...   May 27 2009, 01:11
- - tuxman   "MP3" vs "modern codecs like MPC...   May 27 2009, 03:58
- - The Seeker   LAME V5.   May 27 2009, 16:48
|- - Mark7   I only use mp3 for my portable with settings -V5 f...   May 28 2009, 08:40
- - rudefyet   I tend to want all my music to be the same bitrate...   May 28 2009, 09:40
- - hazumi-san   I used aac for my nokia and the setting I use is v...   May 28 2009, 10:50
- - Kitsuned   Lame mp3 -V3 (siggy could have told you that ) A...   May 28 2009, 12:11
- - acedriver   Lame V0   May 29 2009, 04:32
- - Centauri   I rip to AAC @ 320 VBR via Max. It yields some pre...   Jun 9 2009, 17:23
- - C.R.Helmrich   MP3 -Vx or 320 kbps? That's all the options I ...   Jun 9 2009, 22:46
|- - PaJaRo   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 9 2009, 23:46) ...   Jun 9 2009, 23:05
|- - C.R.Helmrich   QUOTE (PaJaRo @ Jun 10 2009, 00:05) Why d...   Jun 10 2009, 08:58
|- - PaJaRo   QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jun 10 2009, 09:58)...   Jun 10 2009, 15:46
- - Rio   After a very long exhaustive search for my sweet s...   Jun 10 2009, 02:27
- - The_Cisco_Kid   My current settings are Wavpack Hybrid with the 16...   Jun 10 2009, 05:36
- - kornchild2002   There are some cases where people come across hard...   Jun 10 2009, 15:59
- - kinnerful   the second poll result looks like a bell curve to ...   Jul 11 2009, 18:24
|- - uart   QUOTE (kinnerful @ Jul 11 2009, 10:24) th...   Jul 11 2009, 18:49
- - Daemon7   V2 I don't use newer codecs. --- According ...   Jul 14 2009, 19:29
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:29) As f...   Jul 14 2009, 23:52
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 14 2009, 18:52...   Jul 15 2009, 22:49
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 23:49) MP3 ...   Jul 15 2009, 23:43
||- - Daemon7   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 15 2009, 18:43) QUOTE...   Jul 16 2009, 00:47
|- - kornchild2002   Both greynol and rpp3po pointed out some very good...   Jul 16 2009, 00:42
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 15 2009, 19:42...   Jul 16 2009, 00:54
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 17:54) No, ...   Jul 16 2009, 17:07
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:07...   Jul 16 2009, 17:31
- - greynol   I agree. "Dubious" is a poor word choic...   Jul 15 2009, 00:31
- - audioaficionado   EAC 0.99a5 -> Wavpack 4.50 lossless for home pl...   Jul 15 2009, 01:43
- - antman   Why are you guys even going at it with this guy? ...   Jul 16 2009, 01:00
- - /mnt   Hardware support for AAC is growing mainly because...   Jul 16 2009, 01:24
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (/mnt @ Jul 15 2009, 20:24) Hardwar...   Jul 16 2009, 02:53
|- - /mnt   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 02:53) You ...   Jul 16 2009, 03:19
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 03:53) Fran...   Jul 16 2009, 03:31
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 15 2009, 22:31) And y...   Jul 16 2009, 05:30
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 16 2009, 06:30) No, ...   Jul 16 2009, 11:56
|- - cpchan   QUOTE (rpp3po @ Jul 16 2009, 06:56) Ogg V...   Jul 16 2009, 13:55
|- - Daemon7   QUOTE (cpchan @ Jul 16 2009, 08:55) QUOTE...   Jul 16 2009, 15:05
- - greynol   QUOTE (Daemon7 @ Jul 15 2009, 16:47) ...   Jul 16 2009, 01:30
- - ozmosis82   FLAC for archives, iTunes True VBR @ q100... yield...   Jul 16 2009, 05:41
- - Larson   Flac for archiving and Nero true VBR AAC q 0.95 fo...   Jul 16 2009, 11:09
- - jmcguckin   it's amazing how a thread could start off aski...   Aug 18 2009, 15:37
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (jmcguckin @ Aug 18 2009, 08:37) it...   Aug 18 2009, 22:50
- - Examiner   - Flac for archiving - Otherwise Lame V0 or Nero...   Aug 21 2009, 19:05
- - bug80   - FLAC for archiving. - MP3 V4 for my portable pla...   Oct 11 2009, 10:01
- - extrabigmehdi   This question is a bit hard to answer, because cu...   Oct 11 2009, 14:35
- - GeneV   - For archiving I use Flac -8 (could be 5, too; bu...   Oct 12 2009, 00:12
- - Acid Pants   FLAC for archive here too. For modern codecs I ch...   Oct 19 2009, 21:50
- - randal1013   wavpack for archive/PC library. nero aac ~125kbps...   Oct 25 2009, 17:54
- - A_Day_Without_Me   I rip to flac and listen to my flac's on the c...   Oct 25 2009, 19:25
- - davidos   320 kpbs CBR mps. Cos I'm insane. :-) All l...   Oct 30 2009, 08:46
|- - davidos   QUOTE (davidos @ Oct 30 2009, 20:46) 320 ...   Oct 30 2009, 11:36
- - gameplaya15143   FLAC for new CD Rips since I don't have the sp...   Nov 1 2009, 04:38
- - Cokemonkey11   QUOTE (rudefyet @ May 28 2009, 01:40) I t...   Nov 1 2009, 07:32
- - NeoRenegade   V2 for most material, V6 for some for which qualit...   Nov 1 2009, 08:35
- - Hatredcopter   I mostly use V0 or 320 and FLAC on modern codecs   Nov 10 2009, 14:21
- - Meeko   I put down Lame -V3 for my portable mp3 player. A...   Dec 24 2009, 17:04
- - Gornot   I have never used MP3 in my life. From the very st...   Dec 26 2009, 10:52
- - Steve Forte Rio   FLAC -8 / TAK -p4m on PC LAME 3.98.2 -V2 / NERO A...   Dec 26 2009, 12:19
- - Yuna   FLAC -5, some in -8 for archiving purpose (Ripped ...   Jun 6 2010, 00:10
- - shadowking   Archiving / Transcoding: Wavpack lossy @ 415 k -fx...   Jun 6 2010, 02:27
- - plonk420   LAME V1 forced stereo (unless i think the music is...   Jun 6 2010, 12:04
- - Irakli   Nowadays, I use AAC with VBR ~256 kbps (on average...   Jun 6 2010, 12:58
- - origami   Mostly I use Apple Lossless,but occasionally I enc...   Aug 2 2010, 09:58
- - Steve Forte Rio   I think that ~200 kbps is best choice for psychoac...   Aug 2 2010, 11:23
- - jimmanningjr   My first post !!! Well... I use F...   Aug 11 2010, 09:02
- - sramov   oggenc -q 4,5 --advanced-encode-option impulse_noi...   Sep 15 2010, 10:45
- - MI3   i use V0 mp3 or v2 sometimes , because i think tha...   Sep 15 2010, 11:22
|- - Mark7   Nowadays i use FLAC -8. Extracting takes more time...   Sep 15 2010, 11:59
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- - david.lisb   MP3 V0 & Flac -8   Sep 15 2010, 17:13
- - serkan   I use mainly MP3 because of it's compatibility...   Jan 29 2011, 13:48
|- - Northpack   QUOTE (serkan @ Jan 29 2011, 13:48) Vorbi...   Jan 29 2011, 14:50
- - The Seeker   Nowadays, I'm using Ogg Vorbis, q5.0. Sounds f...   Jan 29 2011, 23:03
- - Maggi   FlaCuda -11 for archiving LAME VBR V0 for daily us...   Feb 8 2011, 17:09
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- - Schmoogsley   ogg vorbis LancerMod (SSE3) -q10 VBR   Feb 13 2011, 00:06
- - Sorrow   I mostly use FLAC   Feb 16 2011, 16:40


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