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post May 15 2009, 14:47
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I do not own a turntable and have never heard the "great vinyl sound" coming from a good turntable handled correctly. I am however sligltly interested in purchasing one, as there are some interesting albums out there unavailable on CD.

Recently I found a small clip on the net: A lossless needledrop of Santana's debut album on the MFSL label. Since I own the CD on same label I had something to compare with: I was very disappointed with the needle drop. There were no pops or clicks, but the sound was dead.

Can anyone provide some sample clips of very good needle drops?

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post Feb 4 2010, 02:13
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QUOTE (jamie_P84 @ Feb 3 2010, 21:47) *
Despite my having registered and logged in, these downloads do not work for me.
The filenames are listed but they are not links. Am I missing something here?

However, one thing I can say without playing them is that all the years you've listed for those records are post-1979.

The problem here is that between approx 1975 and 1979, the vast majority of record cutting plants installed digital "cutting delays" in-line between the analogue open-reel tape recorders and the cutting lathe. From what I've been told by an ex-engineer, these were originally 12-bit and 32KHz, and they added an audio delay to the tape output of several seconds. Later models (in the 80s) used higher bit depths and sample rates.
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So basically, all of the records you've listed have been mastered from a digital source, negating most of the potential advantages of vinyl.
Yes, itīs true. Iīve deleted them since I needed the space here for other files - but that didnīt work out. Still, I find your comment interesting. During mastering (and even on the finished tracks) Iīve observed frequencies over 16, 22 or 24 kHz. Letīs take the track "Music" for example by Madonna: one (presumably analogue) synthesizer used in the production produces "ghost frequencies" and therefore a very recognizable pattern when viewed with spectrum analysis. One part of this spectrum can be found at 17 kHz, the next part at 34 kHz (still visible) and another part at ca. 51 kHz (which was lost after downsampling from 192 kHz to 96). The same case with "The Empire strikes back" where some parts of the orchestra reached up to 35 kHz.

Especially the latter part could be because of distortions. There have to be some distortions, because percussion or transients with high frequency content always reach up to the end of the available spectrum and I canīt imagine that percussion reaches up that high all the time. For sure, all of this is very interesting but I wasnīt very fascinated by that. Since vinyl is an inferior source compared to CD (at least to me) I only wanted it to sound pristine without caring so much for frequencies beyond 20-25 kHz.


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QUOTE (Cavaille @ Feb 4 2010, 01:13) *
QUOTE (jamie_P84 @ Feb 3 2010, 21:47) *
Despite my having registered and logged in, these downloads do not work for me.
The filenames are listed but they are not links. Am I missing something here?
Yes, itīs true. Iīve deleted them since I needed the space here for other files
@Cavaille - do you mind if I put them on MediaFire? Or maybe you can?

Cheers,
David.

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- sshd   How Good Can Vinyl Sound?   May 15 2009, 14:47
- - 2Bdecided   See this thread for recent discussion on this topi...   May 15 2009, 16:02
- - bryant   http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showt...   May 15 2009, 17:39
- - DVDdoug   QUOTE I do not own a turntable and have never hear...   May 15 2009, 17:54
- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (sshd @ May 15 2009, 09:47) I do no...   May 15 2009, 19:51
|- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ May 15 2009, 10...   May 15 2009, 21:03
|- - Arnold B. Krueger   QUOTE (Glenn Gundlach @ May 15 2009, 16:0...   May 15 2009, 21:45
- - krabapple   First, all digital ends up as 'analog sound...   May 15 2009, 21:07
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- - Axon   Many people get that "great vinyl sound...   May 15 2009, 22:11
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|- - Alex B   QUOTE (krabapple @ May 16 2009, 10:10) .....   May 16 2009, 15:25
- - C.R.Helmrich   Thanks a lot for the uploads, krabapple! Yes, ...   May 16 2009, 14:00
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- - Canar   I await your uploads with eager anticipation.   Jan 19 2010, 16:26
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