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2009 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 497 ] ** [59.10%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 120 ] ** [14.27%]
AAC (MP4, M4A, AAC) [ 137 ] ** [16.29%]
MPC [ 38 ] ** [4.52%]
WavPack lossy [ 3 ] ** [0.36%]
LossyWAV + lossless [ 8 ] ** [0.95%]
WMA Standard or PRO (lossy) [ 4 ] ** [0.48%]
Atrac (any version) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
other lossy format [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 34 ] ** [4.04%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 566 ] ** [67.30%]
WavPack [ 113 ] ** [13.44%]
TAK [ 46 ] ** [5.47%]
Monkey's Audio [ 20 ] ** [2.38%]
Apple Lossless [ 25 ] ** [2.97%]
WMA Lossless [ 6 ] ** [0.71%]
OptimFrog [ 1 ] ** [0.12%]
other lossless format [ 5 ] ** [0.59%]
I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 59 ] ** [7.02%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main, archive or most important library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 638 ] ** [75.86%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 116 ] ** [13.79%]
it depends: I mix both [ 87 ] ** [10.34%]
Total Votes: 923
  
guruboolez
post Jan 1 2009, 16:33
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Happy new year to everyone smile.gif

As last year and the year before, I invite every HA.org members to answer a few questions. 920 persons take part to the same poll in 2007. And in 2008, a new record was broken with more than 1200 participants. I would thank the HA.org team who makes this score possible by giving to this poll a lot of visibility (it was pinned and appeared on HA portal during several weeks). I invite of course everyone to break it in the next months.

With all datas we gathered in the last year we now have nice and interesting curves:


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I let you comment this smile.gif

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NB: To keep this first post short, I will post the links to previous polls and all exact datas a bit later.

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I answered, Wavpack, MP3, disc image + CUE sheet.

Though I use lossyWAV frequently, I consider it more as near-lossless and voted MP3 as my lossy choice. If I'm typical of lossyWAV users, it would skew the poll against lossyWAV, though I suspect its user base is small anyway.

In fact, my lossless WV is mainly existing rips, not new ones, mostly image+CUE with Replay Gain data. I chose Wavpack for fast decode speed and good compression. FLAC and TAK are similar in these aspects, and FLAC is well supported and would be easy to switch to in an overnight lossless conversion session. I have no particular loyalty, so long as it can also benefit from lossyWAV.

I barely use true lossless for current CD rips - just for some precious work, especially where I've restored the audio in some way.

PC archive and transcoding source: My new disc image archives are now mostly lossyWV (lossyWAV --standard | wavpack). I use these for PC playback and to transcode for MP3 devices (via fb2k) and consider them practically as good a source as either lossless or wavgain | lossless (with dither but no noise shaping) that was a partial solution to lossless bitrate bloat in over-loud CDs before lossyWAV came along. I'm tending to embed CUE sheets now.

Conventional low-bitrate lossy: MP3 for compatibility. LAME -V5 frequently, sometimes -V3 or -V2 from lossyWV source with Album Gain applied by fb2k before encoding. LAME -V6 for speech. Usually file-per-track for normal listening & shuffle play unless I have a gapless album and prefer to encode as a single file to work around consumer MP3 players' limitations. I'd consider Musepack at -q4 or -q5 for low processor load if I had a phone/PDA with compatible software player or a Rockboxed DAP.

Quiet background music MP3s: Use foobar2000 to transcode to LAME -V5 as single file for a groups of 20-30 tracks from my playlist. For dumb MP3 player/FM/DABradio with SD card slot, I apply Album Gain when encoding, use DSPs to Resample to 44100 Hz (only activates if needed), foo_dsp_vlevel for very necessary Dynamic Range Compression, Advanced Limiter (should do nothing!) and could use Crossfader. Once encoded, typical Album Gain with my settings is near to -6 dB, and I use mp3gain to apply -9.0 dB Constant Gain. This gives finer steps on the dumb SD-card MP3 player, whose volume control is coarse at low levels. I ignore transcoding warnings even where my source files include MP3, AAC, MPC etc., though I choose lossless or lossyWAV source where possible. I also have a couple of very old MP2 files I can play there or in my car by renaming to MP3 extension without transcoding. Can typically fit about 26 hrs of music on 2GB SD card, and modest bitrate has solved sporadic glitch problem with my old -V2 or equivalent files on that player. Had considered trying MP2 if glitch was related to decoder processing complexity, and in any case I wanted VLevel or other DRC to avoid apparent silences.

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- guruboolez   2009 ripping/encoding general poll   Jan 1 2009, 16:33
- - Synthetic Soul   MP3 (LAME 3.98 -V5) for listening on PC and DAP. W...   Jan 1 2009, 17:06
- - drbeachboy   MP3 Tracks (LAME 3.98.2 -V2.5) for iPod and home P...   Jan 1 2009, 17:21
- - stranhoROX   Happy 2009!! I use FLAC + cuesheet for my...   Jan 1 2009, 17:23
- - LANjackal   LAME 3.98 -V0 for listening APE Extra High + Cue +...   Jan 1 2009, 17:33
- - guruboolez   Here are the full datas: CODE | AAC | MP3 ...   Jan 1 2009, 17:43
- - Soap   FLAC -8 (single files per track) for archive and P...   Jan 1 2009, 17:59
- - collector   FLAC -6 for archive and listening until lossywav w...   Jan 1 2009, 18:17
- - d0ng   Like most, have FLAC -8 for archival purposes and ...   Jan 1 2009, 19:21
- - Bjossi   Vorbis q10 (aoTuV) for archiving & listening.   Jan 1 2009, 19:33
- - DigitalMan   FLAC V8 for archive, LAME MP3/V4 for casual/portab...   Jan 1 2009, 19:46
- - Bjossi   When I joined (which wasn't too long ago) I wa...   Jan 1 2009, 19:56
- - PJay-Z   MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 -V2 --vbr-new or better) FLAC (1....   Jan 1 2009, 20:30
- - Axon   I typically use Nero AAC for my iPod, but now that...   Jan 1 2009, 20:34
- - kornchild2002   I use Apple Lossless (ripped and encoded with dBpo...   Jan 1 2009, 20:42
- - Bodhi   MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 -V3 --vbr-new) FLAC (1.2.1 -V -5)...   Jan 1 2009, 21:11
- - skizman   can WAV be a codec? I don't bother with FLAC   Jan 1 2009, 21:29
- - Ron Jones   MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 V0) FLAC (1.2.1 @ 8) One file per...   Jan 1 2009, 21:32
- - vitos   Results from last years, and current poll too, cle...   Jan 1 2009, 21:32
- - guruboolez   QUOTE (skizman @ Jan 1 2009, 22:29) can W...   Jan 1 2009, 21:36
- - IgorC   AAC FLAC one file per track. For my ears AAC 1.5-...   Jan 1 2009, 21:55
- - Alexxander   For a long time I rip to FLAC -8 and one file per ...   Jan 1 2009, 22:01
- - lvqcl   Voted for MP3. But I also use Vorbis (aoTuV), espe...   Jan 1 2009, 22:08
- - Gow   Nero AAC is overtaking Lame 3.98.2 for my lossy us...   Jan 1 2009, 22:48
- - robert   MP3 for playback on PCs (the few ones with small H...   Jan 1 2009, 22:52
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (robert @ Jan 1 2009, 23:52) MP3 fo...   Jan 2 2009, 04:22
|- - robert   QUOTE (DARcode @ Jan 2 2009, 04:22) QUOTE...   Jan 2 2009, 21:10
- - carpman   For complete collections (albums, suites, symphoni...   Jan 1 2009, 23:11
- - Agent69   I just finished ripping my entire CD collection, a...   Jan 1 2009, 23:23
|- - collector   QUOTE (Agent69 @ Jan 1 2009, 14:23) I jus...   Jan 2 2009, 20:51
|- - Agent69   QUOTE (collector @ Jan 2 2009, 14:51) QUO...   Jan 2 2009, 22:38
|- - collector   QUOTE (Agent69 @ Jan 1 2009, 14:23) Are y...   Jan 3 2009, 12:45
- - DreamTactix291   TAK 1.0.4 -p5m for lossless (will move to -p4m wit...   Jan 2 2009, 00:01
- - DonP   As "main" I voted Vorbis for lossy as it...   Jan 2 2009, 00:01
- - punkrockdude   I really like ogg vorbis the most but the fact tha...   Jan 2 2009, 02:29
- - Neasden   FLAC (level any) for playback. TAK -p5m as a secon...   Jan 2 2009, 02:58
- - Silversight   Independent on playability, I switched from FLAC t...   Jan 2 2009, 03:09
- - DARcode   Me sigs says it all, still lossy for DAP and lossl...   Jan 2 2009, 04:10
- - twostar   I voted MP3, FLAC and one file per track. Since t...   Jan 2 2009, 07:35
|- - guruboolez   It would be nice too. But it needs a separate poll...   Jan 2 2009, 12:35
- - DonP   I haven't been keeping up... I see a lot of pe...   Jan 2 2009, 13:27
- - Kitsuned   Lossy - MP3, Lame 3.98 build, -V3 and I only use t...   Jan 2 2009, 14:19
- - seVen   Ripper: dBpoweramp Encoding/Tagging: foobar2000 ...   Jan 2 2009, 14:21
- - BoraBora   No change since last year : - MP3 - FLAC - One fi...   Jan 2 2009, 21:56
- - nyarlathotep   Too lazy to change, and no reason to change actual...   Jan 2 2009, 22:34
- - A_Man_Eating_Duck   if your using WAV+Cue you can use replaygain, the ...   Jan 2 2009, 22:46
|- - Agent69   QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Jan 2 2009, 16...   Jan 2 2009, 23:29
- - antman   Flac -5/Lame V5. I started 2008 the same. Tried ...   Jan 2 2009, 23:29
- - Nick.C   Lossless: FLAC, image with embedded cue sheet; Los...   Jan 2 2009, 23:32
- - A_Man_Eating_Duck   QUOTE (Agent69 @ Jan 3 2009, 11:29) QUOTE...   Jan 2 2009, 23:53
|- - Agent69   QUOTE (A_Man_Eating_Duck @ Jan 2 2009, 17...   Jan 3 2009, 00:25
- - Martin F.   FLAC. Also on my DAP (Cowon iAudio X5L, 30 GB) sin...   Jan 3 2009, 02:21
- - chrisgeleven   I had a fling with iTunes AAC for awhile, but with...   Jan 3 2009, 04:02
- - dbAmp   I use EAC in secure mode to rip WavPack images, on...   Jan 3 2009, 05:54
- - vpa   WavPack for back up and serious listening. Also fo...   Jan 3 2009, 09:05
|- - user   Ripper: EAC v 0.9b4 Mode: Secure , test & copy...   Jan 3 2009, 12:57
|- - Martin F.   QUOTE (user @ Jan 3 2009, 12:57) Today: 1...   Jan 3 2009, 16:10
- - Agent69   After considering it, I decided that I didn't ...   Jan 3 2009, 16:48
- - indybrett   FLAC -6 for all home use LAME V3 for everything on...   Jan 3 2009, 19:09
- - Teqnilogik   I rip to FLAC and then convert those FLAC files to...   Jan 3 2009, 21:12
- - Klyith   I voted Vorbis (aotuv at q6) & flac here since...   Jan 4 2009, 00:14
- - IgorC   Most of HA's members know the reason why they ...   Jan 4 2009, 01:57
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 4 2009, 01:57) Most of...   Jan 4 2009, 11:26
|- - Big_Berny   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 4 2009, 01:57) Most of...   Jan 4 2009, 12:57
|- - DonP   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 3 2009, 19:57) Most of...   Jan 5 2009, 00:09
- - Diow   MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 -V2) for listening on PC. One fil...   Jan 4 2009, 02:32
|- - Antonski   QUOTE (Diow @ Jan 4 2009, 03:32) MP3 (LAM...   Jan 5 2009, 16:26
- - Slipstreem   Personal opinion or not, OGG sounds of nothing unl...   Jan 4 2009, 04:39
- - hödyr   I'm using lossless FLAC for rare CDs and audio...   Jan 4 2009, 05:54
|- - seVen   QUOTE (hödyr @ Jan 3 2009, 20:54) I reall...   Jan 4 2009, 15:09
- - HQ84   I really don't know if this is the third time ...   Jan 4 2009, 07:52
- - randal1013   AAC for my ipod WavPack for my library/backup   Jan 4 2009, 10:43
- - DARcode   I'd like to add that thanks to CorePlayer Mobi...   Jan 4 2009, 12:33
- - man   Happy new year all. Lossy for iPods : lame 3.98.2...   Jan 4 2009, 14:52
- - David Nordin   2001: MP3 - Monkey's audio 2002: Musepack - Mo...   Jan 4 2009, 15:31
- - melomaniac   2007: MP3 - FLAC 2008: MP3 - TAK 2009: AAC - TAK ...   Jan 4 2009, 16:21
- - Zarggg   Lossy: Nero AAC 1.3.3.0 q0.35 (I only ever use los...   Jan 4 2009, 16:26
- - hödyr   QUOTE (seVen @ Jan 4 2009, 15:09) Excuse ...   Jan 4 2009, 17:05
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (hödyr @ Jan 4 2009, 14:05) I don...   Jan 4 2009, 18:24
- - david e.   I find it interesting how things settle in favor o...   Jan 4 2009, 17:30
- - Big_Berny   On the other hand also Musepack and Ogg Vorbis are...   Jan 4 2009, 19:42
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Big_Berny @ Jan 4 2009, 16:42) On ...   Jan 4 2009, 20:03
- - stinkyj   I think having an OSS encoder/decoder is awfully i...   Jan 4 2009, 20:59
- - greynol   Slightly better compression, slightly better encod...   Jan 4 2009, 21:17
|- - carpman   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 4 2009, 21:17) I don...   Jan 4 2009, 22:10
|- - Angenial   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 4 2009, 12:17) I don...   Jan 4 2009, 23:31
- - harto69   Hi, MP3 3.98 V3 for DAP and mobile phone FLAC for...   Jan 5 2009, 10:50
- - memomai   Monkey's Audio, one file per CD with cuesheet ...   Jan 5 2009, 11:50
- - Kujibo   For 2008 I answered FLAC + Vorbis. I really love ...   Jan 6 2009, 02:19
- - sidewalking   WavPack for lossless....Yeah, baby! LAME V2-V...   Jan 6 2009, 05:43
- - Cartoon   FLAC -8 for main archive LAME -V5 for Rio/PS3 AAC-...   Jan 6 2009, 15:08
- - GeSomeone   It is such a good idea to do this yearly (but plea...   Jan 6 2009, 21:34
- - Leto Atreides II   My lossy library consists mostly of MPC, but for n...   Jan 7 2009, 01:13
- - tev777   I've always had a mix of multiple formats, but...   Jan 7 2009, 02:29
- - Dynamic   I answered, Wavpack, MP3, disc image + CUE sheet. ...   Jan 7 2009, 02:48
|- - tev777   QUOTE (Dynamic @ Jan 6 2009, 21:48) PC ar...   Jan 7 2009, 04:14
|- - Dynamic   QUOTE (tev777 @ Jan 7 2009, 04:14) I am c...   Jan 7 2009, 22:03
- - Nick.C   The simplest advantage is that lossyWAV output can...   Jan 7 2009, 08:51
|- - halb27   QUOTE (Nick.C @ Jan 7 2009, 09:51) ...Add...   Jan 7 2009, 09:53
- - Artemis3   lame -V5 for portable listening. flac -8 -Ax2 for ...   Jan 7 2009, 23:18
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