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NumLOCK
post Feb 24 2003, 09:57
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Hi all,

What about sharing our personal experiences with building silent, flexible home audio/entertainment devices? wink.gif
This was my first time - and the choice of components was not easy ! Very often, you can't have both speed and silence. Here's what I did.

I've just built a PC on a following basis:
- ABIT KD7-E mainboard (VIA KT333 chipset / allows cpu multiplier setting / voltage lowering in BIOS / down to 1.1V in 0.025V increments).
- AMD Thoroughbred 2000+ 1.65V cpu (multiplier is unlocked out-of-the-box).
- flower CPU heatsink -- it rocks: depending on cpu voltage, there's no need for a fan !!
- 256MB of cheap PC266 ddr sdram
- nice black midi-tower case without PSU.
- special, ultra-quiet 300W PSU
- 7200RPM, 80GB WD HDD
- ATI Radeon 9000pro with VGA, DVI- and TV-out

The following components were modified:
- cpu was underclocked and heavily under-volted (running as 1500+ @ 1.2V). Can also run ~1200MHz @ 1.1V.
- Radeon 9000 pro was modified for passive cooling
- northbridge fan of the motherboard was replaced with passive cooling solution.
- HDD was put in silent 5 1/4'' acoustic armor.
- the case was stuffed with custom acoustic damping material.

The special components were mostly Zalman stuff, found on:
- http://www.quietpc.com/cpucool2.php (CPU flower cooler)
- http://www.quietpc.com/psu.html (silent PSU)
- http://www.quietpc.com/silentdrive.html (HDD armor)
- http://www.quietpc.com/vgamb.php (VGA and M/B heatsinks).

Results:
- there are two fans in the system (PSU & CPU), one of which can be deactivated.
- runs smoothly at 1500+, 1.2V, ~40 Celsius with big, silent 600RPM fan to blow some air into the case (no fan is fine also: ~42-55 Celsius depending on cpu voltage).
- pc is near-silent (just about "undetectable" from 30cm distance).

Additional thoughts:
- I'll add a soundcard and a LAN card (no fans, so no problem)
- I'm still hesitating about what DVD-rom drive I'll put in there.
- I've put the 7200RPM HDD because that's all I had.. but maybe I'll replace it with a 5400RPM (or lower) one.
- operating system not chosen yet.

Epilogue / What I learned:
- I'm VERY satisfied with this silent PC.
- In the future I'll be careful about the noise when buying components for other pc's.
- There's no way I'd buy a GeForce FX (think noise..)
- Silent machines need more expensive cooling components, but I think it's really worth it !

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niktheblak
post Feb 24 2003, 14:04
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QUOTE (NumLOCK @ Feb 24 2003 - 01:03 PM)
I see..  it seems to be that ugly kind of red tape... laugh.gif  I'll try it with the dvdrom drive, thx !

You can get also black, white, yellow or blue insulation tape, 3M sells a six-pack of insulation tapes with all colours. Naturally the colour coding is meant to correspond with wire colours; red for DC-positive, black for DC-negative etc.

The main purpose for this rail taping operation is to fix the drive firmly to its place. As you may have noticed, a rail-mounted drive usually isn't attached to the case very firmly at all. This will cause the drive to "tremble" against the case structures thus generating a lot of noise.

Also one thing which I forgot to mention; when insulating a machine sound-wise, temperature management usually suffers. It might occur that hot air cannot rapidly exit the case; the CPU fan will end up circulating hot air right back into the CPU heatsink.

One option is to build air ducts within the computer case. Ducts can be made from old milk cartons and aluminium tape etc. CPU-friendly approach would be building a duct from the rear fan mount directly to the CPU fan. Make the rear fan suck air into the case and blow it directly to the CPU fan intake through a ventilation duct. This ensures that the CPU will get room-temperature air at all times. Naturally this approach disturbs the general air flow within the case and thus may not be the best possible solution for all situations.

A more general flow-oriented approach would be building a duct from the front fan into the vicinity of the CPU fan. But this duct will be a lot longer, have steeper angles (disturbs air flow) and much more difficult to build. But it will blow cool air directly to the CPU and GPU fans if using an AGP graphics card and an ATX-form motherboard.

One other thing to consider is psychoacoustics (since this is an audio compression forum); if you cannot completely silence the machine, make it sound as pleasant as possible. Especially mid/mid-high frequencies are the most annoying since the ear is most sensitive to these frequencies. The rubber/bitum mat (or the solution Annuka described in the article) I mentioned earlier will filter out mid/high frequencies completely leaving only a low-frequency hum. You might want to make the airflow as steady and unobstructed as possible. In some low-end computer cases, the front fan mount is covered by a thin plastic grille with very small holes for the air. This will cause a lot of turbulence and thus an annoying mid/high frequency noise. One option is to drill/carve a 80mm hole into the case front and covering it with a good-looking dust filter; this will give the air an unobstructed path into the case interior. The high frequency noise will turn into a pleasant sound of a distant waterfall, or wind blowing, not to mention the improved airflow.

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