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Which LAME VBR settings do you use?, Poll regarding LAME VBR preferences
LAME VBR Preferences
What VBR setting do you use?
-V0 (.XXX) (--[alt-]preset [fast] extreme) [ 125 ] ** [28.28%]
-V1 (.XXX) [ 17 ] ** [3.85%]
-V2 (.XXX) (--[alt-]preset [fast] standard) [ 171 ] ** [38.69%]
-V3 (.XXX) [ 43 ] ** [9.73%]
-V4 (.XXX) (--[alt-]preset [fast] medium) [ 23 ] ** [5.20%]
-V5 (.XXX) [ 52 ] ** [11.76%]
-V6 (.XXX) [ 7 ] ** [1.58%]
-V7 (.XXX) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
-V8 (.XXX) or -V9 (.XXX) [ 1 ] ** [0.23%]
Other [ 3 ] ** [0.68%]
What LAME version do you use?
3.98 (.2) [ 385 ] ** [87.10%]
3.97 [ 39 ] ** [8.82%]
3.90.3 [ 12 ] ** [2.71%]
Other [ 6 ] ** [1.36%]
If using 3.98, do you use floating point values?
Yes [ 57 ] ** [12.90%]
No [ 333 ] ** [75.34%]
I don't use 3.98 [ 52 ] ** [11.76%]
Total Votes: 603
  
Synthetic Soul
post Oct 20 2008, 18:23
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Following memomai's thread on the subject, a poll regarding your LAME VBR habits.

NB: If you use -V5.5, choose the "-V5 (.XXX)" option.

If you don't use VBR, don't bother contributing; this poll is for LAME VBR users only.

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david.lisb
post Oct 21 2008, 11:28
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ABR 270 was my favorite, but now: -V0 -b224: the quality of preset extreme without the problem of VBR
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QUOTE (david.lisb @ Oct 21 2008, 04:28) *
ABR 270 was my favorite, but now: -V0 -b224: the quality of preset extreme without the problem of VBR


Don't want to go off-topic but why would VBR be a problem? Lame was tuned for VBR encoding and forcing a minimum bitrate like you have only limits the encoder and can cause decreased quality.

I wonder who voted for 3.90.3 as that is rather old and I thought it was no longer recommended after 3.97b1 came out.
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QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 13:08) *
Don't want to go off-topic but why would VBR be a problem? Lame was tuned for VBR encoding and forcing a minimum bitrate like you have only limits the encoder and can cause decreased quality. ...

Prior to 3.98 there were issues with VBR when encoding certain tonal samples of the 'sandpaper' problem and similar kind (for instance Birds, herding_calls, trumpet). Probably the issues are weaknesses in the psy model, but they were enlarged by using VBR. ABR provided better results than VBR here.
It's always personal how to deal with problem samples, but one way out was to use ABR 220+. david.lisb's idea is to kind of bring the ABR idea to the VBR world by using the -b switch. This decreases efficiency of course, but as many users don't have to care any more a lot about average bitrate this is a valid approach. It can't decrease quality. Unfortunately according to my experience the approach doesn't really work. Audio content seems to be the same as when not using the -b switch.

QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 13:08) *
I wonder who voted for 3.90.3 as that is rather old ...

According to the poll only few people use old Lame versions, and most users use 3.98. So what's the problem? Though Lame development is highly welcome and we should be thankful for any progress with new Lame versions we shouldn't be over-optimistic with progress achieved. It's simply true that already 3.90.3 was great. When it's about optimum quality nobody can really tell whether 3.98 -V0 is better or say 3.93.1 (or 3.90.3) ABR 270, simply because both results are great, and whether the one or other encoder is a tiny bit better depends on the sample under consideration.

It's so much personal decision which encoder and setting to use, and there is seldom a clearly objective decision basis. Beware of opinions like 'it must be newest version' or 'it must be VBR', though using the ever newest version and VBR is the most obvious approach.

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- Synthetic Soul   Which LAME VBR settings do you use?   Oct 20 2008, 18:23
- - Bodhi   V5 3.98.2 No floating point (Since today...)   Oct 20 2008, 18:30
- - memomai   thanks Synthetic_Soul, perfect poll!   Oct 20 2008, 18:37
- - zipr   I use 3.98.2 with V2. I probably could get by with...   Oct 20 2008, 18:40
- - xmixahlx   3.98.2 + -V2   Oct 20 2008, 18:54
- - Neasden   -V 0 (excessive but this is my comfort zone) LAME...   Oct 20 2008, 19:25
- - skelly831   3.98.2, -V 5, no floating point values, keep it si...   Oct 20 2008, 19:41
- - /mnt   Am still using V2, since V0 sometimes only does so...   Oct 20 2008, 19:56
- - Slipstreem   Voted! 3.98.2 at -V3 with no floating point us...   Oct 20 2008, 20:11
- - Alexxander   I use v3.98.2, -V2 for my "mobile music...   Oct 20 2008, 21:00
- - mr budzone   I actually went from -V5 to V5.7 on my portable, I...   Oct 20 2008, 21:18
- - lvqcl   3.98.2, -V 2. Winamp, foobar2000, CDex... They al...   Oct 20 2008, 21:40
- - houyhnhnm   V2, 3.98.2, no floating point values. 200420052006...   Oct 20 2008, 22:22
|- - melomaniac   QUOTE (houyhnhnm @ Oct 20 2008, 23:22) V2...   Oct 21 2008, 10:20
- - twostar   I voted 3.98.2 and -V2. Just a sidenote, the last...   Oct 20 2008, 23:32
- - kornchild2002   I chose -V 3 with Lame 3.98.2 and no floating poin...   Oct 21 2008, 00:49
- - memomai   QUOTE I voted 3.98.2 and -V2. Just a sidenote, th...   Oct 21 2008, 07:46
- - Synthetic Soul   Thanks for the links to other polls, it will be in...   Oct 21 2008, 10:09
- - david.lisb   -V0 -b224 best quality !!   Oct 21 2008, 10:53
|- - PHOYO   QUOTE (david.lisb @ Oct 21 2008, 12:53) -...   Oct 21 2008, 11:10
|- - halb27   QUOTE (david.lisb @ Oct 21 2008, 11:53) -...   Oct 21 2008, 13:59
- - .halverhahn   Version: Lame 3.98.2 Music: V0 Audio Book, Radio P...   Oct 21 2008, 11:21
- - david.lisb   ABR 270 was my favorite, but now: -V0 -b224: the q...   Oct 21 2008, 11:28
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (david.lisb @ Oct 21 2008, 04:28) A...   Oct 21 2008, 12:08
|- - halb27   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 13:08...   Oct 21 2008, 14:22
|- - pdq   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 07:08...   Oct 21 2008, 15:51
|- - /mnt   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 12:08...   Oct 21 2008, 19:51
- - bug80   version: 3.98.2 portable: V4   Oct 21 2008, 11:28
- - Lyx   Using V3, because i don't keep a lossless back...   Oct 21 2008, 11:38
- - Slipstreem   As -V0 -b224 is neither an option in this poll nor...   Oct 21 2008, 12:23
- - poleepkwa   I have been using V5 as well after I Synthetic rec...   Oct 21 2008, 12:42
- - memomai   QUOTE I wonder who voted for 3.90.3 as that is rat...   Oct 21 2008, 14:48
- - _Raziel-BG   LAME VBR: -V2 LAME version: 3.98.2 Floating point:...   Oct 21 2008, 15:05
- - Synthetic Soul   With regard to newer versions vs 3.90.3: it should...   Oct 21 2008, 15:18
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (memomai @ Oct 21 2008, 07:48) some...   Oct 21 2008, 15:47
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Oct 21 2008, 15:47...   Oct 21 2008, 19:06
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (memomai @ Oct 21 2008, 09:27) Ever...   Oct 21 2008, 20:08
- - memomai   QUOTE Just to make it clear: my comment wasn't...   Oct 21 2008, 16:27
- - null-null-pi   hi there, first post for me on ha.org ^^ i use 3....   Oct 22 2008, 18:08
- - TRE   I use -V5 (3.98.2) as it is a good ratio size / qu...   Oct 23 2008, 07:46
- - sketchy_c   I listen to my own stuff on Vorbis (q5), but if I...   Oct 24 2008, 12:54
- - audiobookie   File size for spoken word is important to me. Was ...   Nov 5 2008, 02:01
- - Xenno   Hangin with 3.96.1 and alt pre ext   Nov 5 2008, 04:23
- - halb27   The poll results are very interesting, especially ...   Nov 5 2008, 18:56
- - pdq   I am not so much surprised that a few people use -...   Nov 5 2008, 19:07
|- - halb27   QUOTE (pdq @ Nov 5 2008, 20:07) I am not ...   Nov 5 2008, 22:32
- - Maggi   I'm using LAME 3.98 (not yet updated to .2) wi...   Nov 6 2008, 09:31
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (Maggi @ Nov 6 2008, 10:31) I'm...   Nov 6 2008, 09:50
|- - Maggi   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Nov 6 2008, 09:50) QU...   Nov 6 2008, 10:07
- - GeSomeone   up-to-date LAME 3.98.2 For (my) highest quality...   Nov 6 2008, 18:43
- - quackalist   Voted V0, 3.98, not that I imagine it betters V2 w...   Nov 7 2008, 01:58
- - Kitsuned   My two cents buys a vote for: Lame 3.98 -V3 setti...   Nov 14 2008, 12:48
- - ajfoucault   3.98.2 V0 Real me do this! JK~!   Dec 4 2008, 05:29
- - antman   Lame 3.98.2/V5.7   Dec 5 2008, 03:10
|- - somemightsay   3.98.2 -V0   Dec 5 2008, 03:38
- - xSerpentx   V4 LAME 3.98 I'm actually re-ripping. I want...   Dec 13 2008, 02:44
- - Frankie   Mostly V4 for use with my iAudio F2. Up to V0 for ...   Apr 3 2009, 18:43
- - rick.hughes   I play my FLAC archive on my home stereo, and only...   Apr 3 2009, 19:30
- - trout   -V 1.337   Apr 3 2009, 19:46
- - skope   Hey everyone! I stick to using 3.90.3modified ...   May 9 2009, 22:04
- - PaJaRo   When I transcode from a lossy source (I know it is...   May 10 2009, 19:13
- - Pike84   What is the practical significance of using floati...   May 12 2009, 09:39
- - halb27   IMO the advantage of non-integer -V values is with...   May 12 2009, 11:26
|- - Pike84   So, it's just about being able to use decimal ...   May 13 2009, 09:03
|- - halb27   QUOTE (Pike84 @ May 13 2009, 09:03) So, i...   May 13 2009, 11:21
- - Pike84   Well, I'm not sure if I understand this floati...   May 13 2009, 15:29
- - halb27   It's not about implementation, just about the ...   May 13 2009, 15:35
- - Pike84   Oh, ok. I thought it had some deeper meaning behin...   May 13 2009, 16:24
- - ZinCh   Sometimes I am using floating point to get target ...   May 17 2009, 20:40
- - gasmann   It looks like I'm stuck with LAME 3.98.2 -V 5 ...   May 18 2009, 19:36
- - d_headshot   What are floating point values?   May 20 2009, 03:44
|- - WonderSlug   QUOTE (d_headshot @ May 19 2009, 19:44) W...   May 20 2009, 04:42
- - lock67ca   Most of my collection is ripped with 3.97b at vbr...   Jun 21 2009, 13:49
- - GeneV   I went through a couple of test with a few pop/roc...   Jul 3 2009, 14:36
|- - halb27   QUOTE (GeneV @ Jul 3 2009, 15:36) ... I m...   Jul 3 2009, 18:53
|- - GeneV   QUOTE (halb27 @ Jul 3 2009, 19:53) QUOTE ...   Jul 10 2009, 21:40
|- - GeneV   QUOTE (GeneV @ Jul 10 2009, 21:40) QUOTE ...   Oct 11 2009, 19:02
|- - lvqcl   QUOTE (GeneV @ Oct 11 2009, 22:02) Possib...   Oct 12 2009, 15:54
|- - GeneV   QUOTE (lvqcl @ Oct 12 2009, 15:54) QUOTE ...   Oct 14 2009, 15:58
|- - dv1989   I don't want to bump for its own sake, and thi...   May 27 2010, 13:58
- - Rei Murasame   I go with Lame 3.98, -V2. The distribution of the ...   Jul 3 2009, 19:36
- - kwanbis   What you mean? almost 40% use V2.   Jul 3 2009, 20:22
- - Rei Murasame   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Jul 3 2009, 20:22) What ...   Jul 3 2009, 21:25
|- - rpp3po   QUOTE (Rei Murasame @ Jul 3 2009, 22:25) ...   Jul 11 2009, 05:04
- - kwanbis   I'm sure 95% just to be safe No abx to prove   Jul 3 2009, 22:21
- - jmcguckin   while I stick to AAC for my primary lossy format, ...   Oct 14 2009, 17:19
- - vvill   I switch between v0 and v2 for music, depending on...   Nov 12 2009, 17:08
- - Soviet Commissar   I actually regularly use V0 and V2, one for classi...   Nov 12 2009, 22:28
- - moozooh   LAME has become surprisingly good in the last few ...   May 27 2010, 14:27
|- - а.п.т.   QUOTE (moozooh @ May 27 2010, 16:27) Some...   May 28 2010, 12:09
- - moozooh   Actually it's somewhat easier. If I know an al...   Jun 1 2010, 00:21


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