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FreddyBlades
post Aug 27 2008, 05:10
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Software and hardware setup does everyone recommend?

I rebuilt my 1200's from the ground up and soldered on the heavy duty gold plated RCA patch cords. I am using an Ortofon Arkiv Concorde cartridge & stylus.

I use Serato Scratch fairly often (with my Shure M44's) and the SL1 interface seems to record fairly well into the .aiff format.

Is there a better way to do it? It seems like the most direct method of getting the data into the PC. I am a producer and have all software at my disposal. I use Soundforge, Goldwave, Acid, Protools, Sonar, Cubase, etc. on my Thinkpad T61P on a regular basis. Speed/latency is not a concern. I maxed out my RAM at 3gb & also dual boot to stripped bare-bones version of XP.

What will give me the best quality? Throw all tips at me (tracking weight, stylus, balanced inputs, etc).

Much Appreciated.
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Axon
post Aug 30 2008, 18:41
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O RLY?? The Ultimate LP has superseded B&K/CBS/JVC/etc?
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post Aug 31 2008, 07:25
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QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 30 2008, 13:41) *
O RLY?? The Ultimate LP has superseded B&K/CBS/JVC/etc?


I don't know anything about CBS, JVC, etc..

The Ultimate LP was specifically designed to be of a higher consistent quality as compared to the common test records, from the quality of the pressing to the accuracy of hole center and warping QC. It has the standard required test signals to ascertain all of the relevant performance characteristics for proper/ideal set up/adjustment. I only mentioned VPI as a specific company example - and they indeed did say the use this as their standard test LP for turntable measurement(s).

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post Sep 3 2008, 17:52
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Fantastic answers that help a lot. Thanks again guys.

I got the newer reference record, shure force gauge and

My only concerns left are:

1. Ripping into Serato Scratch Live. SSL offers a USB 1 connection but I have no problems. The quality seems great without issue. I believe that it has the RIAA eq curve. I have a Denon DN-X100 mixer and the Technics 1200's seem grounded well. Is there a better way?

2. My Ortofon Arkiv Cartridge. I can't find many reviews but the ones I do are all positive. I ripped one 12" single and it sounds great on my Dynaudio BM5A's. I wish the highs were a little higher but I think the lack of it was in the mastering.

3. Record brush... Any recommendations? I saw one by Audioquest. I also saw "Gruv Glide". Anybody have experience with that? I have a lot of records but will only be sampling about 300 so I don't mind handwashing.

4. Turntable grounding. I have it grounded to my denon DN-X100 mixer which seems fairly quiet. I tried to ground it through my technics + DMC 1200 battle mixer and it hums like crazy. Will it ground better going through the RCA via the "SL1200 conversion" that seems very popular? I think that may be more for convenience but want the best ground. Again, I have gold to gold RCA's and I upgraded to the heavy duty Technics RCA's.

I'm just aiming to get the best quality possible with what I have without going crazy. Being a producer, I know that I can go crazy and spend thousands but I do that with monitors and such. I think I have good quality components that should let me rip great sounding samples. I guess I just want to "fine tune" and do it right the first time. I use Acappella's and old funk samples for remixes and such so I want great quality.

Again, you guys rock. :-D
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post Sep 3 2008, 21:07
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QUOTE (FreddyBlades @ Sep 3 2008, 11:52) *
Fantastic answers that help a lot. Thanks again guys.

I got the newer reference record, shure force gauge and

My only concerns left are:

1. Ripping into Serato Scratch Live. SSL offers a USB 1 connection but I have no problems. The quality seems great without issue. I believe that it has the RIAA eq curve. I have a Denon DN-X100 mixer and the Technics 1200's seem grounded well. Is there a better way?
You might try recording the test record and ensuring that the frequency response is reasonably accurate. If you're +-3db then you're probably in good shape (and I suppose you could probably eq out any particularly nasty stuff you find).

I'm not aware of anybody who has tested that mixer or preamp on audio quality (alas you probably came to the wrong board if you wanted comments on those). How audible is the background hiss? If it's audible even while a record is playing, you should probably switch. What is the peak level on your recordings?

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2. My Ortofon Arkiv Cartridge. I can't find many reviews but the ones I do are all positive. I ripped one 12" single and it sounds great on my Dynaudio BM5A's. I wish the highs were a little higher but I think the lack of it was in the mastering.
This is the second time you've worried about that cart smile.gif

Ultimately, for both your cartridge and your analog setup, you're not really going to know how bad it is unless you have something to compare it against. And like I said, the test record can help you out a smidge with this by giving an accurate frequency response.

But if you're paranoid about the cart quality, you're probably going to continue to be paranoid until you buy a hifi cart like an AT440ML or AT150MLX or Ortofon 2M or Denon DL110 or something like that and see for yourself. If you're not feeling the love in the treble, the ATs tend to be notoriously cold-sounding carts and that might be exactly what you're looking for. Or not.

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3. Record brush... Any recommendations? I saw one by Audioquest. I also saw "Gruv Glide". Anybody have experience with that? I have a lot of records but will only be sampling about 300 so I don't mind handwashing.
Heh, record cleaning is a rat's nest of subjectivity and controversy, so you're not going to get a clear answer on this until you start trying things out yourself. However, you should certainly splurge on a good cleaning system if you can afford to. The quality improvements from record cleaning tend to dwarf system improvements right around your price point.

For dry cleaning, most people use carbon fiber brushes. They're cheap ($10). Don't get them wet, though.

I tried Gruv Glide for a while and didn't notice much of an improvement. (Also, the can rusted out. Yuck.) The application sponges are notorious dust traps and dust tended to stick more closely to the record after application, I thought. And I always felt a little loopy after using the stuff. That said, LAST is a competing product (with a substantially different formulation) which has received all manner of superlatives from hifi reviewers.

For wet cleaning, which generally works much better than dry cleaning, the canonical recommendation is the KAB EV-1, which is the cheapest vacuum record cleaning machine available, with any number of different cleaning fluids - Audio Intelligent, Disc Doctor, LAST, Bugtussel, etc. They all have their fans and to some degree they all work pretty well - you're not really going to find anything that is head and shoulders above the rest. A few of the fluids (notably Audio Intelligent) require multiple brushes for correct operation. I use the KAB with Audio Intelligent, but I'm not a partisan of AI. Don't use the KAB with a vacuum cleaner you care about, because water tends to get sucked into it rather easily.

Some people on Audiogon have had good success with steam cleaning; you might want to investigate that.

Use on-site filtered DI water like the FreshPure stuff at Whole Foods for rinsing. It's considered considerably purer than bottled distilled water.

On a budget, do not hesitate to try your own cleaning recipes - I've used Simple Solution carpet cleaner, and besides imparting a (scary) fragrant smell to the records, it seems to work pretty well. But take particular caution if you do not know exactly what is in the cleaner, test it out on a beater record first, and rinse it all out with high purity water (like DI water) until the scent of the cleaner is minimized.

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4. Turntable grounding. I have it grounded to my denon DN-X100 mixer which seems fairly quiet. I tried to ground it through my technics + DMC 1200 battle mixer and it hums like crazy. Will it ground better going through the RCA via the "SL1200 conversion" that seems very popular? I think that may be more for convenience but want the best ground. Again, I have gold to gold RCA's and I upgraded to the heavy duty Technics RCA's.
I think the ground wire removal is mostly for convenience. I don't know what it does for hum. Components are so finicky with ground loops that there are few hard and fast rules for how to eliminate hum.

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I'm just aiming to get the best quality possible with what I have without going crazy. Being a producer, I know that I can go crazy and spend thousands but I do that with monitors and such. I think I have good quality components that should let me rip great sounding samples. I guess I just want to "fine tune" and do it right the first time. I use Acappella's and old funk samples for remixes and such so I want great quality.


If your background hiss and hum levels are reasonable, and you have correctly aligned your cartridge with a protractor (you did that, right?), and the VTA and antiskate are set right, and the sound is otherwise fine, you probably should be dumping your money and time into cleaning the records, if the pops and ticks are objectionable.
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- FreddyBlades   I Rebuilt My Technics 1200's And Want To Rip Some Vinyl. Which...   Aug 27 2008, 05:10
- - Glenn Gundlach   QUOTE (FreddyBlades @ Aug 26 2008, 20:10)...   Aug 27 2008, 06:21
- - Axon   I'm not really sure what would be an improveme...   Aug 27 2008, 07:58
- - FreddyBlades   Wow, you guys are absolutely fantastic... I think...   Aug 27 2008, 15:36
- - Axon   Well, if you're looking for a "warm...   Aug 28 2008, 05:57
- - Juan C.   Hi, just to not open a new topic, I want to know w...   Aug 28 2008, 06:08
|- - gkmeyer   QUOTE (Juan C. @ Aug 27 2008, 21:08) Hi, ...   Aug 28 2008, 06:15
- - Axon   Do 44.1 unless you have a good reason to do otherw...   Aug 28 2008, 06:12
- - Juan C.   Ok, thank you .   Aug 28 2008, 15:12
- - pdq   If you never, ever want to make a CD from your fi...   Aug 28 2008, 15:59
- - FreddyBlades   Thanks again guys... (especially Juan for the Jack...   Aug 29 2008, 20:19
- - Axon   Record shops are unlikely to carry it. Hifi shops ...   Aug 29 2008, 20:35
|- - FreddyBlades   QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 29 2008, 14:35) Record ...   Aug 29 2008, 23:09
- - Axon   OK, I'll backtrack a bit and state that 99% of...   Aug 29 2008, 23:14
|- - FreddyBlades   QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 29 2008, 17:14) OK, I...   Aug 30 2008, 02:44
- - WmAx   If you get a test record, I agree with Axon also, ...   Aug 30 2008, 18:00
- - Axon   O RLY?? The Ultimate LP has superseded B&K/CBS...   Aug 30 2008, 18:41
- - WmAx   QUOTE (Axon @ Aug 30 2008, 13:41) O RLY??...   Aug 31 2008, 07:25
- - FreddyBlades   Fantastic answers that help a lot. Thanks again g...   Sep 3 2008, 17:52
- - Axon   QUOTE (FreddyBlades @ Sep 3 2008, 11:52) ...   Sep 3 2008, 21:07


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