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Anyone else use 320 kbps mp3's?, n00b here.
320 kbps mp3's
Do You ever use 320 kbps mp3's?
Yes, rarely. [ 117 ] ** [23.12%]
Yes, often. [ 93 ] ** [18.38%]
No, never. [ 296 ] ** [58.50%]
Can you tell the difference between 256 kbps VBR or CBR mp3's and 320 kbps mp3's?
Yes. [ 48 ] ** [9.49%]
No. [ 434 ] ** [85.77%]
Only between 256 CBR and 320 CBR [ 24 ] ** [4.74%]
Total Votes: 643
  
JAKE196
post Jul 31 2008, 00:28
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Hi, I'm kinda new to compressed audio encoding. . .

My Mp3 player supports mp3, aac, wma, and wav files and after doing a lot of listening to the different lossy formats and bitrates I decided to use 320 mp3's because to my ears they sound almost as good as CD quality, minus the frequency cut off.

I'm just wondering if anyone else here uses 320 kbps mp3's at all?

I've looked at some other threads and a lot of people say that if you are going to use 320 kbps mp3's you might as well use a lossless codec, and I understand that. (however, I use them because my player doesn't support any compressed lossless format)

I've also seen a lot of statements that 320 kbps is a pointless bitrate and something like 256 vbr is the highest thats worth using no matter what. I really don't agree with this, there is definitely an audible difference between 256 CBR or 256 VBR files and 320 files, to my ears anyway. (do I have really good ear's? I'm wondering) I have to admit LAME mp3's can pick up a lot of detail at 256 and 192 kbps, but they still don't sound as good as 320 mp3's.

I usually use 320 kbps mp3's, with the exception of fairly simple songs or exceptionally long songs, for which I use 256 kbps.

Just wanted to express my opinion and see how many other people use them, peace. biggrin.gif

So answer the poll if it works. (this is my first post. . . )

I'll check back later.
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JAKE196
post Jul 31 2008, 01:55
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Sorry, I should have read the rules, I didn't know this forum was so incredibly serious.

I swear I could tell between a high bitrate VBR version of a fairly complex song and a 320 kbps version of a fairly complex song as long as they were encoded the same. Is there any way we can set up a test on this site?

I agree with the idea that high VBR's sound pretty much as good as 320 kbps mp3's, but any low/medium bitrate VBR just doesn't sound as good. . . 320 kbps songs may pick up more noise, but they do sound better imo.

Also know that I can tell the difference between the specified files on my computer as well as my mp3 player which has a higher quality sound output than most other players. I'm also using some fairly good on ear headphones which were specifically designed for portable mp3 players and portable CD players.

I'm not completely paranoid about quality, I swear I can hear a difference!!!!

I'm not making a blind assumption, there is a difference in how well instruments sound and how much detail is captured. . .

Please don't be mad I'm only saying my opinion and I will take some kind of test if thats possible. I'm sorry I broke the terms/rules.

that's all I'm saying for today. . . good night.

And again, Peace!
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krabapple
post Aug 1 2008, 22:21
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QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 20:55) *
Sorry, I should have read the rules, I didn't know this forum was so incredibly serious.

I swear I could tell between a high bitrate VBR version of a fairly complex song and a 320 kbps version of a fairly complex song as long as they were encoded the same. Is there any way we can set up a test on this site?



(to HA)This is the sort of report I had in mind when I started my thread about what types of music are hardest to lossy encode 'transparently.

Over and over on the interwebs I see people assuming that 'long and complex music' must be harder to lossy encode well. Meanwhile, the music in samples actually used to tweak LAME ('killer samples') doesn't bear that out.

Anyway, just sayin'. Maybe this super-common misconception can be dealt with in an HA wiki or something.

(to JAKE196) It's called an ABX test, and you can perform it yourself by downloading WinABX or downloading foobar2000, which includes an ABX comparison tool.

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- JAKE196   Anyone else use 320 kbps mp3's?   Jul 31 2008, 00:28
- - Fandango   When your main playback device for the MP3s is a p...   Jul 31 2008, 00:45
- - incunabula   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 18:28) . . ...   Jul 31 2008, 00:47
- - greynol   Yes, lets see some blind test results, JAKE196.   Jul 31 2008, 00:51
- - Kitsuned   320 is a waste of space with no valuable gain in o...   Jul 31 2008, 01:31
- - JAKE196   Sorry, I should have read the rules, I didn't ...   Jul 31 2008, 01:55
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 18:55) Sorr...   Jul 31 2008, 03:35
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 20:55) Sorr...   Aug 1 2008, 22:21
- - IgorC   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 30 2008, 20:28) My M...   Jul 31 2008, 01:59
- - shadowking   I never use 320k mp3. I suppose some might use it ...   Jul 31 2008, 02:06
- - lesswire   Hi JAKE196 I'm also new to HA which by the wa...   Jul 31 2008, 03:42
- - greynol   He may as well cut to the chase and ABX -V0 and -b...   Jul 31 2008, 03:56
- - odious_m   Only used -b320 for harpsichord. But now I've...   Jul 31 2008, 05:47
- - zombiewerewolf   I've never use 320kbps personally, only use it...   Jul 31 2008, 06:02
- - twostar   I never have and won't ever encode 320kbps mp3...   Jul 31 2008, 07:05
- - smok3   QUOTE Is there any way we can set up a test on thi...   Jul 31 2008, 08:55
|- - j7n   QUOTE (smok3 @ Jul 31 2008, 10:55) it sho...   Jul 31 2008, 09:48
- - hlloyge   Well, I tend to listen music on the go, on portabl...   Jul 31 2008, 09:03
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 01:55) Sorr...   Jul 31 2008, 09:27
- - zorba   Do You ever use 320 kbps mp3's? Yes, often. ...   Jul 31 2008, 09:48
- - smok3   point would be: a. to support lazy users which c...   Jul 31 2008, 10:09
- - 2Bdecided   "Can you tell the difference between 256 kbps...   Jul 31 2008, 10:46
|- - Slipstreem   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 31 2008, 10:46) ...   Jul 31 2008, 14:33
|- - JAKE196   "Good for you but that is not what this threa...   Jul 31 2008, 16:23
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 09:23) ...   Jul 31 2008, 16:51
- - smok3   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jul 31 2008, 10:2...   Jul 31 2008, 11:57
- - incunabula   Not to beat a dead horse, but you have nothing to ...   Jul 31 2008, 18:50
- - JAKE196   I'll test myself then, what specific program s...   Jul 31 2008, 21:21
|- - tpijag   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 15:21) I...   Jul 31 2008, 21:35
|- - greynol   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 13:21) I wa...   Jul 31 2008, 21:57
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Jul 31 2008, 14:21) I...   Aug 1 2008, 01:01
|- - sld   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:21) but i...   Aug 1 2008, 21:16
- - smok3   there is nothing radical in your point of view and...   Jul 31 2008, 21:30
- - Bodhi   VBR V0 here!   Aug 1 2008, 20:43
|- - Tahnru   QUOTE (Bodhi @ Aug 1 2008, 14:43) VBR V0 ...   Aug 1 2008, 20:44
|- - Bodhi   QUOTE (Tahnru @ Aug 1 2008, 21:44) QUOTE ...   Aug 1 2008, 20:52
- - Tahnru   @ Bodhi Ahhh! Sorry - I have been watching t...   Aug 1 2008, 20:58
|- - Bodhi   QUOTE (Tahnru @ Aug 1 2008, 21:58) @ Bodh...   Aug 1 2008, 21:05
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE I swear I could tell between a high bitrate ...   Aug 1 2008, 22:50
- - JAKE196   Well, I tried a couple of ABX tests and failed. ...   Aug 1 2008, 23:42
|- - Tahnru   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 1 2008, 17:42) Well,...   Aug 1 2008, 23:52
|- - JasonQ   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 1 2008, 17:42) Well,...   Aug 2 2008, 00:25
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 1 2008, 23:42) One m...   Aug 2 2008, 06:52
||- - Bodhi   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Aug 2 2008, 07:52...   Aug 2 2008, 07:36
|||- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Bodhi @ Aug 2 2008, 07:36) Maybe w...   Aug 2 2008, 07:59
|||- - Bodhi   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Aug 2 2008, 08:59...   Aug 2 2008, 08:15
||- - sld   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Aug 2 2008, 13:52...   Aug 2 2008, 09:32
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 2 2008, 00:42) ... I...   Aug 2 2008, 09:01
- - greynol   @JAKE196: Regardless of the result, kudos for tryi...   Aug 2 2008, 00:15
- - kornchild2002   I agree with greynol. Look into using even lower ...   Aug 2 2008, 00:28
- - SpasV   Sorry, I am not going to answer the questions in t...   Aug 2 2008, 04:21
- - j7n   In comment to the very first post: I'd use 32...   Aug 2 2008, 09:26
- - JAKE196   Synthetic Soul, I knew I shouldn't have said ...   Aug 5 2008, 03:01
- - timcupery   Jake, I'm just reading over this thread and wa...   Aug 5 2008, 05:16
- - kornchild2002   It is nice that you are conducting blind ABX tests...   Aug 5 2008, 06:15
|- - Soap   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Aug 5 2008, 01:15)...   Aug 5 2008, 12:30
- - timcupery   QUOTE (Soap @ Aug 5 2008, 07:30) I agree ...   Aug 5 2008, 14:13
|- - Soap   QUOTE (timcupery @ Aug 5 2008, 09:13) [yo...   Aug 5 2008, 15:51
|- - JAKE196   Am I doing ABX tests the wrong way? Well this is t...   Aug 6 2008, 03:11
|- - greynol   For the record, I believe JAKE196. His ability to...   Aug 6 2008, 03:44
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 5 2008, 20:11) Am I ...   Aug 6 2008, 03:47
||- - Tahnru   QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Aug 5 2008, 21:47)...   Aug 6 2008, 04:47
|- - Tahnru   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 5 2008, 21:11) Am I ...   Aug 6 2008, 04:20
|- - timcupery   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 5 2008, 22:11) I don...   Aug 6 2008, 04:31
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 6 2008, 03:11) I don...   Aug 6 2008, 07:41
- - lesswire   QUOTE I don't think comparing .mp3's to .w...   Aug 6 2008, 03:25
- - timcupery   Rob - I'd agree with you in technicalities. Bu...   Aug 6 2008, 05:07
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (timcupery @ Aug 5 2008, 22:07) Rob...   Aug 6 2008, 06:41
- - Tahnru   As far as the context for HA is concerned, I am in...   Aug 6 2008, 05:28
- - shadowking   I'd like to know what these differences are in...   Aug 6 2008, 05:46
- - smok3   QUOTE note that I am under 20 i belive ~ 25 is the...   Aug 6 2008, 08:12
- - shadowking   I think i've just about read enough of this me...   Aug 6 2008, 08:36
|- - JAKE196   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 6 2008, 01:36) I ...   Aug 6 2008, 23:25
||- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 6 2008, 23:25) So ma...   Aug 7 2008, 09:18
||- - digital_music   Hi, am interested in the general discussion you ar...   Aug 9 2008, 00:14
||- - carpman   QUOTE (digital_music @ Aug 9 2008, 00:14)...   Aug 9 2008, 04:22
|- - DonP   QUOTE (shadowking @ Aug 6 2008, 02:36) I ...   Dec 11 2008, 16:26
- - Slipstreem   Good man! Nobody here is trying to tell you wh...   Aug 7 2008, 04:21
- - JAKE196   Well I've done some more tests and I was surpr...   Aug 8 2008, 21:25
|- - kornchild2002   QUOTE (JAKE196 @ Aug 8 2008, 14:25) One d...   Aug 8 2008, 23:14
- - Slipstreem   Another person who thinks he knows better than the...   Aug 9 2008, 02:58
- - lesswire   QUOTE The actual audio is 'closer' to the ...   Aug 9 2008, 04:08
- - slimserver   From following this thread I went ahead and did an...   Aug 9 2008, 06:12
|- - mr budzone   QUOTE (slimserver @ Aug 9 2008, 07:12) Fr...   Aug 9 2008, 11:07
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (digital_music @ Aug 9 2008, 00:14)...   Aug 9 2008, 08:36
- - xSerpentx   I always stay away from 320, you never know what i...   Dec 13 2008, 02:39
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (xSerpentx @ Dec 13 2008, 01:39) I ...   Dec 13 2008, 09:54
- - bwat47   320 kb/s mp3s are a total waste of space.   Feb 21 2009, 16:08
- - kwanbis   This post needs more votes, so it is more represen...   Feb 21 2009, 20:56
- - B7k   I have only used Mpeg-1 layer2 (Mp2) @320kbps or A...   Apr 14 2009, 07:18
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|- - /mnt   QUOTE (Rei Murasame @ Jul 3 2009, 21:00) ...   Jul 3 2009, 22:57
- - Eli   I use lossless (FLAC) for archiving and ABR ~128 m...   Jul 3 2009, 23:07
- - gorgekko   I use VBR. Back in ye olden dayes when MP3s were n...   Jul 4 2009, 01:04
- - Rei Murasame   QUOTE (/mnt @ Jul 3 2009, 22:57) QUOTE (R...   Jul 4 2009, 03:19
|- - /mnt   QUOTE (Rei Murasame @ Jul 4 2009, 03:19) ...   Jul 4 2009, 12:21
|- - Rei Murasame   QUOTE (/mnt @ Jul 4 2009, 12:21) Precho o...   Jul 4 2009, 20:03
- - shadowking   320k for transform codecs is too high because wavp...   Jul 4 2009, 16:47
- - /mnt   QUOTE (shadowking @ Jul 4 2009, 16:47) It...   Jul 4 2009, 19:18
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