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foobar2000 vs. MediaMonkey, At risk of my life among fb2k enthusiasts, I just wanted to ask...
MAufty
post Jun 2 2008, 01:31
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I just read 6 pages of the thread "Why I like Foobar..." WOW!! You guys are really sold on this thing! That's great. I haven't yet had time to absorb everything about it, but I have also heard some great things about MediaMonkey. Could someone briefly give me a pro/con between the two? Are they comparable?

My main need right now is ripping my 300+ CD collection to play from my computer as well as sync to a Creative Zen Vision M, and another portable player.

What do you all recommend?

(Hopefully I won't get "skinned" for even asking the question... crying.gif )
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PredUK
post Jun 3 2008, 01:59
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Simply being limited makes MediaMonkey bad IMO. It's okay, but foobar is for my needs perfect.
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post Jun 3 2008, 10:35
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QUOTE (PredUK @ Jun 3 2008, 02:59) *
Simply being limited makes MediaMonkey bad IMO. It's okay, but foobar is for my needs perfect.

There are so many things unlogical with that statement, that i dont even know where to start.

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For sure Title Formating is much more powerful than any preformatted clobber. But isn't MM able to handle with various expressions like "title contains *XYZ*" or "playtime is higher than *Number*" and the second one combined with another rule like "and date is newer than 2007"? :huh:

That depends.... formatting/programming languages which strive to be similiar to common english aesthetically, are a two sided sword. On first sight, they are impressive and SEEM more easy.... until you notice how important PREDICTABILITY is. When a language begins to be very similiar to common english, then the difference between that language and english SEEMS to fade - which also means that you start having difficulty to distinguish between the two. The problem now is that such a programming language is NOT english - it only understands certain sentence-structures and certain keywords.... its still just a normal programming language with a syntax with gives the illusion of it being english. At that point, it becomes difficult to predict what kind of code will work and what kind of code will not work - because the language seems like english and you start asuming that any valid english sentence will work - but it wont work, because it isn't english... it just looks like that. This problem becomes worse, the more complex the language becomes and the more features it gets.

For a really nice example of "aesthetic programming languages" going wrong, check out Inform7 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inform#The_In...amming_language )

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post Jun 3 2008, 11:20
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QUOTE (Lyx @ Jun 3 2008, 03:35) *
QUOTE (PredUK @ Jun 3 2008, 02:59) *

Simply being limited makes MediaMonkey bad IMO. It's okay, but foobar is for my needs perfect.

There are so many things unlogical with that statement, that i dont even know where to start.

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For sure Title Formating is much more powerful than any preformatted clobber. But isn't MM able to handle with various expressions like "title contains *XYZ*" or "playtime is higher than *Number*" and the second one combined with another rule like "and date is newer than 2007"? huh.gif

That depends.... formatting/programming languages which strive to be similiar to common english aesthetically, are a two sided sword. On first sight, they are impressive and SEEM more easy.... until you notice how important PREDICTABILITY is. When a language begins to be very similiar to common english, then the difference between that language and english SEEMS to fade - which also means that you start having difficulty to distinguish between the two. The problem now is that such a programming language is NOT english - it only understands certain sentence-structures and certain keywords.... its still just a normal programming language with a syntax with gives the illusion of it being english. At that point, it becomes difficult to predict what kind of code will work and what kind of code will not work - because the language seems like english and you start asuming that any valid english sentence will work - but it wont work, because it isn't english... it just looks like that. This problem becomes worse, the more complex the language becomes and the more features it gets.

For a really nice example of "aesthetic programming languages" going wrong, check out Inform7 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inform#The_In...amming_language )


It was only an example on my side for MediaMonkey. I know that foobar2000 Titleformating is "harder" to learn than clicking trough 5 menues and making your list that way. I only said, that fbar is more powerful not easier. But with spending a little bit time you can handle with it.

Btw. "zweiseitiges Schwert" is called "double-edged sword". wink.gif

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- MAufty   foobar2000 vs. MediaMonkey   Jun 2 2008, 01:31
- - Horst Fux   First of all I wanted to say, that I'm using f...   Jun 2 2008, 02:34
- - Nickoladze   Depends on what you want. Personally, I won't ...   Jun 2 2008, 03:17
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (Nickoladze @ Jun 1 2008, 20:17) De...   Jun 2 2008, 14:56
- - shakey_snake   foobar2000 is free.   Jun 2 2008, 03:42
- - Walterrrr   I drag and drop files onto my Creative Zen Vision ...   Jun 2 2008, 05:13
- - Mar2zz   1st: Foobar gives you control over your collection...   Jun 2 2008, 18:20
- - shakey_snake   For playback, media monkey either uses DirectShow ...   Jun 2 2008, 19:59
- - Canar   I use foobar2000 because I've seen and experie...   Jun 2 2008, 20:32
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (Canar @ Jun 2 2008, 13:32) I use f...   Jun 2 2008, 21:12
|- - kanak   QUOTE (Horst Fux @ Jun 2 2008, 16:12) Foo...   Jun 2 2008, 23:30
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (kanak @ Jun 2 2008, 18:30) QUOTE (...   Jun 3 2008, 00:01
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (kanak @ Jun 2 2008, 16:30) QUOTE (...   Jun 3 2008, 06:39
- - Melomane   mm is slow here with my small (6652 files) library...   Jun 3 2008, 01:09
- - PredUK   Simply being limited makes MediaMonkey bad IMO. It...   Jun 3 2008, 01:59
|- - Feldon   If your main need is ripping, I wouldn't use F...   Jun 3 2008, 03:09
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (PredUK @ Jun 3 2008, 02:59) Simply...   Jun 3 2008, 10:35
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (Lyx @ Jun 3 2008, 03:35) QUOTE (Pr...   Jun 3 2008, 11:20
|- - PredUK   QUOTE (Lyx @ Jun 3 2008, 10:35) QUOTE (Pr...   Jun 5 2008, 12:31
- - Mar2zz   Bibliotheek is the same as Library (origin of bibl...   Jun 3 2008, 07:10
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (Mar2zz @ Jun 3 2008, 00:10) Biblio...   Jun 3 2008, 08:27
- - Rozzo   I prefer foobar2000 to MM because of the many pane...   Jun 3 2008, 11:07
- - hal9001   Ookay. I use Foobar as my player, but MediaMonkey ...   Jun 3 2008, 11:11
- - LadFromDownUnder   I've used both foobar and MM for a few years n...   Jun 3 2008, 12:17
|- - Horst Fux   QUOTE (LadFromDownUnder @ Jun 3 2008, 05...   Jun 3 2008, 12:35
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (LadFromDownUnder @ Jun 3 2008, 05...   Jun 3 2008, 14:34
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Jun 3 2008, 15:34) ...   Jun 3 2008, 14:53
|- - LadFromDownUnder   @shakey_snake: The New Default UI has a Quick Appe...   Jun 4 2008, 11:27
- - Horst Fux   I'm awared of it, that giving other people my ...   Jun 3 2008, 18:50
|- - Kiteroa   MM is extremely customisable for those that can/wa...   Jun 4 2008, 05:40
|- - mobyduck   QUOTE (Kiteroa @ Jun 3 2008, 20:40) MM is...   Jun 4 2008, 08:36
||- - Canar   QUOTE (mobyduck @ Jun 4 2008, 00:36) SQL ...   Jun 4 2008, 15:13
||- - mobyduck   QUOTE (Canar @ Jun 4 2008, 06:13) QUOTE (...   Jun 4 2008, 15:25
||- - kanak   QUOTE (mobyduck @ Jun 4 2008, 10:25) SQL ...   Jun 4 2008, 15:36
||- - mobyduck   QUOTE (kanak @ Jun 4 2008, 06:36) QUOTE (...   Jun 5 2008, 10:33
|- - shakey_snake   QUOTE (Kiteroa @ Jun 4 2008, 00:40) MM is...   Jun 4 2008, 09:00
|- - Kiteroa   QUOTE (shakey_snake @ Jun 4 2008, 20:00) ...   Jun 5 2008, 08:16
- - Canar   If you've ever used the album list, you'll...   Jun 4 2008, 15:39
- - ~*McoreD*~   Customizable to the max. $if3($if(...   Jun 5 2008, 10:47


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