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2008 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 681 ] ** [56.19%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 214 ] ** [17.66%]
AAC (MP4, M4A, AAC) [ 197 ] ** [16.25%]
MPC [ 46 ] ** [3.80%]
WMA Standard or PRO [ 3 ] ** [0.25%]
Atrac (any version) [ 2 ] ** [0.17%]
WavPack lossy [ 8 ] ** [0.66%]
LossyWAV + lossless [ 6 ] ** [0.50%]
other lossy format [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 55 ] ** [4.54%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 795 ] ** [65.59%]
WavPack [ 176 ] ** [14.52%]
Monkey's Audio [ 52 ] ** [4.29%]
WMA Lossless [ 4 ] ** [0.33%]
TAK [ 54 ] ** [4.46%]
OptimFrog [ 2 ] ** [0.17%]
other lossless format [ 40 ] ** [3.30%]
I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 89 ] ** [7.34%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main, archive or most important library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 911 ] ** [75.17%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 164 ] ** [13.53%]
it depends: I mix both [ 137 ] ** [11.30%]
Total Votes: 1309
  
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post Jan 1 2008, 16:17
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Happy new year to everyone.
New year, new poll.
Lossy/lossless polls are a tradition here in HA.org. The first one started few weeks after the site was founded by Dibrom. As explained in last year's poll I think that polls should be rationalized in order to compare more easily the choices of HA members. The 2007 general poll was created exactly one year ago and got 921 voters ; I hope this one will last one full year¹ as well and will reach the 1000!

I made small changes in the poll structure:
• WMA and WMA Pro are now one unique poll choice (they got less than 1% of total votes last year and I needed a free row to make the other changes possible)
• WavPack lossy was added
• LossyWAV + lossless whcih appeared this year was also added
other lossy format and I don't use lossless AT ALL! are split
• I reordered the list according to the 2007 popularity (TAK before OptimFROG)
• Apple Lossless was accidentally removed headbang.gif

9000 new persons are registered on hydrogenaudio's forums since last poll. I hope that many of them will answer to this new poll. In advance, thank you for your vote.


To finish, a very big thank you to houyhnhnm who offered us a pretty complete synthesis of HA Polls since the beginning, here:






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¹ or maybe less if a moderator/admin wants to act differently smile.gif

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Hi,

one question: Is HE-AAC also part of the AAC category? If yes, it is not obvious. If yes, shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere in the description?

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How is user's preferred way ?

Let's start with the beginning:

ripper: EAC 0.9b4 , it simply rips anything smile.gif , so no needs to update, alternatively EAC 0.95pb3 might work also.
EAC secure mode, accurate stream, no c2 usage, Test & Copy , to single tracks, EAC's non-compliant cue sheet.

ripping to 3 formats in different target bitrates & purposes at 1 time during EAC's ripping&tagging&encoding step:

by mareo.exe:

1. Lossless: FLAC (v1.2.1 at the moment) -8 -V , best compression & quick enough for P3 @ 800 MHz, Win XP.
Purpose is listening at home in HiFi, which means High Fidelity, listening music as natural as possible like played live without amplifiers, speakers.
And yes, iirc, my 1st and only Lossless encoding to Monkey's audio was a long time back,
then switched to FLAC, then had a time, when I used WavPack,
and now since some longer time already again, back to FLAC,
which I will keep as Lossless format, because it has the broadest hardware/industry device/playback devices support.
So: No propietrary formats like SoNever, VerySmallSmooth or Oranges,
because their devices are and have been too expensive, and even too low quality, bugs and even less playback features than no-name Al-Cheapo Asian devices for USB & MP3 smile.gif

2. Lossy as small sized (ca. 265 kbit/s vbr bitrates averaged) and cheap backup for the Lossless, as transparent as possible, even after transcoding to mp3 or playing by Logic7/DPL2 DSPs, as Lossless replacement, in case the Lossless data is lost. Additional small = reasonable sized on laptop HD for having perfect music on the run.
My favourite is here MPC (v.1.16 atm) --quality 8 --ms 15--xlevel

3. Lossy MP3 for daily usage in noisy environments, fast food music, ie. listening in car or during running/sports outdoors.
This means MP3 Lame 3.97 (only stable versions, previously 3.90 Dibrom compile)
-V5 --vbr-new , ca. 125 - 150 k VBR.
This due to simple usage and widely support by cheap but good players like USB sticks, think of running through the woods and hills outdoors with earphones and USB-stick or connecting the USB-MP3-stick to your Kenwood car-radio system, maybe via Cassette-adapter or via FM-radio frequency, or directly via Aux connector, or directly the USB connection to modern car-radios.

Sizes are MP3 V5 ca. 130 - 135 k vbr, to MPC quality 8 ca. 265 k , to Flac Lossless 700 - 1000 k, maybe 800-900 k average, but very dependent on the albums/music collections.
This translates to sizes of MP3 Lame V5 / MPC quality 8 == 1 / 2
and
MPC quality 8 / Lossless FLAC == 1 / 3 --- 1 / 3.3

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- guruboolez   2008 ripping/encoding general poll   Jan 1 2008, 16:17
- - Eli   I am VERY interested in the future of TAK. Once it...   Jan 1 2008, 17:10
|- - evereux   QUOTE (Eli @ Jan 1 2008, 16:10) Since its...   Jan 1 2008, 19:27
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Eli @ Jan 1 2008, 16:10) Since its...   Jan 1 2008, 19:42
- - tev777   I've given up Vorbis in favor of MP3s ubiquity...   Jan 1 2008, 18:03
- - nyarlathotep   Hello guru and Bonne Année! I voted: - MP3: f...   Jan 1 2008, 18:17
- - Fandango   Interesting how Wavpack lost its users to FLAC. Th...   Jan 1 2008, 18:43
- - Bourne   -   Jan 1 2008, 19:13
- - Gow   Mp3: Lame 3.98b6 -v2 -vbr-new, transparent to me...   Jan 1 2008, 21:07
- - Squeller   As for lossless I used wavpack before, but now I e...   Jan 1 2008, 21:23
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Squeller @ Jan 1 2008, 12:23) And ...   Jan 1 2008, 22:46
- - UED77   My lossy format of choice is MP3 for universal com...   Jan 1 2008, 21:30
|- - Squeller   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 1 2008, 22:30) Once TA...   Jan 2 2008, 10:46
|- - kenny01   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 1 2008, 12:30) My loss...   Jan 4 2008, 22:53
- - anishbenji   Moved over the years, from Monkeys Audio to Wavpac...   Jan 1 2008, 21:40
- - audioadam   For lossy I've been using MP3 so far - because...   Jan 1 2008, 21:43
- - Nick.C   Unsurprisingly, I use lossyWAV + FLAC for my on de...   Jan 1 2008, 21:50
- - DreamTactix291   TAK -p5m single file with embedded cuesheet for th...   Jan 2 2008, 01:00
- - twostar   my vote goes to the most compatible formats: flac ...   Jan 2 2008, 01:01
- - dbAmp   -MP3 LAME 3.98b6 -V2 (I switched back from AAC for...   Jan 2 2008, 01:09
- - Leto Atreides II   I voted Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, and per track. Most of ...   Jan 2 2008, 01:14
|- - BoraBora   Lossy: LAME for my wife's PAD. Lossless: FLAC...   Jan 2 2008, 01:37
- - Diow   Lossy:MP3, LAME 3.97. One file per track, ABR 266 ...   Jan 2 2008, 03:15
- - Light-Fire   I use mp3 for lossy and Apple Lossless. Strangely ...   Jan 2 2008, 03:47
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Light-Fire @ Jan 2 2008, 04:4...   Jan 2 2008, 04:21
- - The Seeker   I use FLAC level 5 to archive my CDs, all kept on ...   Jan 2 2008, 04:34
- - buktore   Since I Only use PC+Foobar (No DAP here. Don't...   Jan 2 2008, 07:19
- - rudefyet   Well, last year is was AAC since I bought a Mac, b...   Jan 2 2008, 10:21
- - evereux   Wavpack and MP3. I too am very interested in TAK ...   Jan 2 2008, 11:16
- - Bruno Monteiro   I voted for MP3, Wavpack and mixed settings (cue f...   Jan 2 2008, 11:48
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- - halb27   lossyWav + FLAC is what matches my needs perfectly...   Jan 2 2008, 13:19
- - xmixahlx   mpc + flac + "mix of cue and tracks" al...   Jan 3 2008, 00:33
- - beto   Vorbis for new lossy encodes. All my devices suppo...   Jan 3 2008, 00:47
- - Zarggg   Lossy: Ogg Vorbis, though I use AAC for transferri...   Jan 3 2008, 06:17
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 2 2008, 21:17) TAK is...   Jan 3 2008, 07:24
|- - Zarggg   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 2 2008, 22:24) QUOTE...   Jan 5 2008, 22:28
|- - Nick.C   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 5 2008, 21:28) QUOTE ...   Jan 5 2008, 22:40
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 5 2008, 13:28) What I...   Jan 5 2008, 22:40
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- - Trondis   I voted OGG for lossy, but most of my lossy files ...   Jan 3 2008, 12:20
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|- - TBeck   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 3 2008, 19:10) QUOTE (...   Jan 7 2008, 08:03
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|- - lexor   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 5 2008, 13:49) Ah...   Jan 5 2008, 18:14
- - guruboolez   2009 of course. I'm still in 2007 in my head.   Jan 5 2008, 18:25
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