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2008 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 681 ] ** [56.19%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 214 ] ** [17.66%]
AAC (MP4, M4A, AAC) [ 197 ] ** [16.25%]
MPC [ 46 ] ** [3.80%]
WMA Standard or PRO [ 3 ] ** [0.25%]
Atrac (any version) [ 2 ] ** [0.17%]
WavPack lossy [ 8 ] ** [0.66%]
LossyWAV + lossless [ 6 ] ** [0.50%]
other lossy format [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 55 ] ** [4.54%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 795 ] ** [65.59%]
WavPack [ 176 ] ** [14.52%]
Monkey's Audio [ 52 ] ** [4.29%]
WMA Lossless [ 4 ] ** [0.33%]
TAK [ 54 ] ** [4.46%]
OptimFrog [ 2 ] ** [0.17%]
other lossless format [ 40 ] ** [3.30%]
I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 89 ] ** [7.34%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main, archive or most important library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 911 ] ** [75.17%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 164 ] ** [13.53%]
it depends: I mix both [ 137 ] ** [11.30%]
Total Votes: 1309
  
guruboolez
post Jan 1 2008, 16:17
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Happy new year to everyone.
New year, new poll.
Lossy/lossless polls are a tradition here in HA.org. The first one started few weeks after the site was founded by Dibrom. As explained in last year's poll I think that polls should be rationalized in order to compare more easily the choices of HA members. The 2007 general poll was created exactly one year ago and got 921 voters ; I hope this one will last one full year¹ as well and will reach the 1000!

I made small changes in the poll structure:
• WMA and WMA Pro are now one unique poll choice (they got less than 1% of total votes last year and I needed a free row to make the other changes possible)
• WavPack lossy was added
• LossyWAV + lossless whcih appeared this year was also added
other lossy format and I don't use lossless AT ALL! are split
• I reordered the list according to the 2007 popularity (TAK before OptimFROG)
• Apple Lossless was accidentally removed headbang.gif

9000 new persons are registered on hydrogenaudio's forums since last poll. I hope that many of them will answer to this new poll. In advance, thank you for your vote.


To finish, a very big thank you to houyhnhnm who offered us a pretty complete synthesis of HA Polls since the beginning, here:






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lossyWav + FLAC is what matches my needs perfectly for listening purposes, Monkey for archiving purposes.

I am still interested in mp3
a) because of its universal usability
b) because at a bitrate of ~250 kbps on average (which more and more users can afford) I'm sure all my quality demands can be fulfilled by a hypothetic ideal encoder, and we do have encoders which come close to that (Lame 3.98b6 -V0, but Helix and FhG @CBR256 are real good as well, with each of them having specific strengths in the various problem areas).

My feelings are also with wavPack lossy which one day - with an added quality control - may outperform the lossyWAV/FLAC combination.


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- guruboolez   2008 ripping/encoding general poll   Jan 1 2008, 16:17
- - Eli   I am VERY interested in the future of TAK. Once it...   Jan 1 2008, 17:10
|- - evereux   QUOTE (Eli @ Jan 1 2008, 16:10) Since its...   Jan 1 2008, 19:27
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Eli @ Jan 1 2008, 16:10) Since its...   Jan 1 2008, 19:42
- - tev777   I've given up Vorbis in favor of MP3s ubiquity...   Jan 1 2008, 18:03
- - nyarlathotep   Hello guru and Bonne Année! I voted: - MP3: f...   Jan 1 2008, 18:17
- - Fandango   Interesting how Wavpack lost its users to FLAC. Th...   Jan 1 2008, 18:43
- - Bourne   -   Jan 1 2008, 19:13
- - Gow   Mp3: Lame 3.98b6 -v2 -vbr-new, transparent to me...   Jan 1 2008, 21:07
- - Squeller   As for lossless I used wavpack before, but now I e...   Jan 1 2008, 21:23
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (Squeller @ Jan 1 2008, 12:23) And ...   Jan 1 2008, 22:46
- - UED77   My lossy format of choice is MP3 for universal com...   Jan 1 2008, 21:30
|- - Squeller   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 1 2008, 22:30) Once TA...   Jan 2 2008, 10:46
|- - kenny01   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 1 2008, 12:30) My loss...   Jan 4 2008, 22:53
- - anishbenji   Moved over the years, from Monkeys Audio to Wavpac...   Jan 1 2008, 21:40
- - audioadam   For lossy I've been using MP3 so far - because...   Jan 1 2008, 21:43
- - Nick.C   Unsurprisingly, I use lossyWAV + FLAC for my on de...   Jan 1 2008, 21:50
- - DreamTactix291   TAK -p5m single file with embedded cuesheet for th...   Jan 2 2008, 01:00
- - twostar   my vote goes to the most compatible formats: flac ...   Jan 2 2008, 01:01
- - dbAmp   -MP3 LAME 3.98b6 -V2 (I switched back from AAC for...   Jan 2 2008, 01:09
- - Leto Atreides II   I voted Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, and per track. Most of ...   Jan 2 2008, 01:14
|- - BoraBora   Lossy: LAME for my wife's PAD. Lossless: FLAC...   Jan 2 2008, 01:37
- - Diow   Lossy:MP3, LAME 3.97. One file per track, ABR 266 ...   Jan 2 2008, 03:15
- - Light-Fire   I use mp3 for lossy and Apple Lossless. Strangely ...   Jan 2 2008, 03:47
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Light-Fire @ Jan 2 2008, 04:4...   Jan 2 2008, 04:21
- - The Seeker   I use FLAC level 5 to archive my CDs, all kept on ...   Jan 2 2008, 04:34
- - buktore   Since I Only use PC+Foobar (No DAP here. Don't...   Jan 2 2008, 07:19
- - rudefyet   Well, last year is was AAC since I bought a Mac, b...   Jan 2 2008, 10:21
- - evereux   Wavpack and MP3. I too am very interested in TAK ...   Jan 2 2008, 11:16
- - Bruno Monteiro   I voted for MP3, Wavpack and mixed settings (cue f...   Jan 2 2008, 11:48
- - herefornow   Interesting poll, curious to see what everyone els...   Jan 2 2008, 12:18
- - halb27   lossyWav + FLAC is what matches my needs perfectly...   Jan 2 2008, 13:19
- - xmixahlx   mpc + flac + "mix of cue and tracks" al...   Jan 3 2008, 00:33
- - beto   Vorbis for new lossy encodes. All my devices suppo...   Jan 3 2008, 00:47
- - Zarggg   Lossy: Ogg Vorbis, though I use AAC for transferri...   Jan 3 2008, 06:17
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 2 2008, 21:17) TAK is...   Jan 3 2008, 07:24
|- - Zarggg   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 2 2008, 22:24) QUOTE...   Jan 5 2008, 22:28
|- - Nick.C   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 5 2008, 21:28) QUOTE ...   Jan 5 2008, 22:40
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Zarggg @ Jan 5 2008, 13:28) What I...   Jan 5 2008, 22:40
- - jmcguckin   my cd's are ripped to FLAC via CDex, then run ...   Jan 3 2008, 07:05
- - fj4   MP3 (LAME), only because my lady is content with h...   Jan 3 2008, 08:46
- - probedb   MP3 (LAME) for lossy just because of compatibility...   Jan 3 2008, 11:21
- - Trondis   I voted OGG for lossy, but most of my lossy files ...   Jan 3 2008, 12:20
- - Borisz   lame 3.97 -V 0 --vbr-new, till i get a new hd (pre...   Jan 3 2008, 15:52
- - GeSomeone   Here we are asked for our main codecs of choice. S...   Jan 3 2008, 16:18
- - UED77   QUOTE (Squeller @ Jan 2 2008, 04:46) QUOT...   Jan 3 2008, 19:10
|- - TBeck   QUOTE (UED77 @ Jan 3 2008, 19:10) QUOTE (...   Jan 7 2008, 08:03
- - joeshrubbery   For lossless, TAK all the way. Compresses better t...   Jan 3 2008, 20:12
|- - greynol   QUOTE (joeshrubbery @ Jan 3 2008, 11:12) ...   Jan 3 2008, 20:59
- - Sebastian Mares   I rip one file per track using dBpowerAMP. I then ...   Jan 3 2008, 21:36
- - BradPDX   Since giving up on Windows, my choices are fewer b...   Jan 3 2008, 22:06
- - Lyx   Its interesting to see the stats so far reflecting...   Jan 3 2008, 22:27
- - Marky Mark   Largely based on what I've learned from Hydrog...   Jan 4 2008, 01:40
- - Clear89   Lossy - I use AAC. It's compatible with all my...   Jan 4 2008, 17:09
- - apul   Lossy: MP3 V0 Lossless: FLAC One file per track ...   Jan 4 2008, 19:38
- - 4tified   Lossy: Tie Between MP3 and Atrac. MP3 is the most ...   Jan 4 2008, 19:52
- - grombulk   Lossy: MP3 V5 --vbr-new for compatibility and DAPs...   Jan 4 2008, 21:07
- - xmixahlx   grombulk, what is the "problem" you get ...   Jan 4 2008, 22:35
- - randal1013   AAC WavPack disc as one file w/ cuesheets   Jan 5 2008, 05:31
- - dutch109   Lossy : MP3 -V5 and Vorbis -q2 but I voted MP3 bec...   Jan 5 2008, 13:54
- - guruboolez   Not really. Total votes / 3 = total voters (or vot...   Jan 5 2008, 14:08
- - TREX6662k6   Wow you see the monkeys audio drop in the graph an...   Jan 5 2008, 15:37
- - guruboolez   Last year I built my first graphs upon the 1200 (4...   Jan 5 2008, 17:49
|- - lexor   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 5 2008, 13:49) Ah...   Jan 5 2008, 18:14
- - guruboolez   2009 of course. I'm still in 2007 in my head.   Jan 5 2008, 18:25
- - robert   my votes: - MP3, more than good enough to have my...   Jan 5 2008, 19:31
- - Bylie   MP3 for use on my DAP (Cowon D2), transcoded on th...   Jan 5 2008, 19:42
- - krmathis   I don't get this! OptimFrog s listed, but ...   Jan 5 2008, 19:53
- - guruboolez   As explained some days ago, I made a mistake and f...   Jan 5 2008, 20:13
- - krmathis   Ok, I get it! Hopefully Apple Lossless will be...   Jan 5 2008, 21:14
- - ozmosis82   Lossy: Nero AAC q0.4 (though I prefer Vorbis, pers...   Jan 5 2008, 21:45
- - IgorC   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 1 2008, 07:17) Th...   Jan 5 2008, 22:05
- - krmathis   MP3Apple Lossless (other lossless format)One file ...   Jan 5 2008, 22:05
- - somemightsay   Voted a few days back ... Lossy: MP3 (Lame -V2, a...   Jan 5 2008, 22:18
- - Keykey   .- MP3 .- Monkey's Audio (High) .- Image + cue...   Jan 5 2008, 22:49
- - ddawg   Lossy: The progress for me has been mp3 -> mpc ...   Jan 5 2008, 22:57
|- - alvaro84   QUOTE (ddawg @ Jan 5 2008, 22:57) Lossy: ...   Jan 6 2008, 07:10
|- - Francksoy-Wizzu   Lossless: I ripped my whole CD collection to FLAC...   Jan 7 2008, 07:51
- - eevan   AAC (Sometimes Vorbis) TAK One file image   Jan 6 2008, 01:30
- - Delerious   MP3 for lossy Flac for lossless Mixed on how I...   Jan 6 2008, 07:02
- - Dar Li   Main Lossy : MP3 Lossless : Flac , wavpack (multi...   Jan 6 2008, 10:42
- - Zarggg   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 5 2008, 13:40) EDIT:...   Jan 6 2008, 16:03
- - Josef Pohm   In my case it's: - MP3; - TAK; - One file per...   Jan 6 2008, 23:03
- - dissociative   -lossy mp3 I think of MP3 as as very old wide-spre...   Jan 6 2008, 23:33
- - Curtor   Lossy: Vorbis. I still love it; what can I say? ...   Jan 7 2008, 00:16
- - HQ84   ummm, let's see: Lossy: OGG Vorbis Lancer(SSE3...   Jan 7 2008, 10:35
|- - Francksoy-Wizzu   QUOTE (HQ84 @ Jan 7 2008, 03:35) Franckso...   Jan 7 2008, 11:09
||- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Francksoy-Wizzu @ Jan 7 2008, 10...   Jan 7 2008, 12:21
||- - Francksoy-Wizzu   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 7 2008, 05:21...   Jan 7 2008, 23:09
|- - greynol   QUOTE (HQ84 @ Jan 7 2008, 01:35) Lossless...   Jan 7 2008, 18:48
|- - xmixahlx   QUOTE (greynol @ Jan 7 2008, 09:48) QUOTE...   Jan 9 2008, 20:32
- - DARcode   Lossy: MP3 still does it for me, playing it safe (...   Jan 7 2008, 14:42
- - pepoluan   My votes: - Lossy: MP3 - Lossless: WavPack - Rippi...   Jan 7 2008, 18:34
- - HQ84   QUOTE (Francksoy-Wizzu)Er... yes.. we met eac...   Jan 8 2008, 09:40
- - Christian Schindler   Hi, one question: Is HE-AAC also part of the AAC ...   Jan 8 2008, 12:17
|- - user   How is user's preferred way ? Let's start...   Jan 8 2008, 13:41
- - germanjulian   mp3 mp3 mp3 wohoooo and some flac even though I ...   Jan 9 2008, 00:27
- - Kujibo   I think I first started seriously ripping when Vor...   Jan 9 2008, 02:24
- - Kirya   Glad to see that TAK is more popular than Monkey...   Jan 9 2008, 13:39
- - antman   For 2008: Ripper: FB2K 0.9.5, WMEncoder 9 Lossy: ...   Jan 9 2008, 16:04
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