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When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent
boombaard
post Oct 29 2007, 21:30
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perhaps an interesting/entertaining read: (not by my hand, found it yesterday)
http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when...k-birth-of.html

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For quite a long time I've been intending to post some sort of commentary on the music industry - piracy, distribution, morality, those types of things. I've thought about it many times, but never gone through with it, because the issue is such a broad, messy one - such a difficult thing to address fairly and compactly. I knew it would result in a rambly, unfocused commentary, and my exact opinion has teetered back and forth quite a bit over the years anyway. But on Monday, when I woke up to the news that Oink, the world famous torrent site and mecca for music-lovers everywhere, had been shut down by international police and various anti-piracy groups, I knew it was finally time to try and organize my thoughts on this huge, sticky, important issue.


edit2: thanks for editing the title, kind (and anonymous) moderator smile.gif

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plnelson
post Oct 30 2007, 18:25
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I certainly don't disagree that the music industry is a stupid dinosaur deserving only our contempt.

But, it's legal to be a stupid dinosaur.

And even if stealing music leads to actual sales, as it did with "seanyseansean", companies also have a right to decide what marketing and promotions to use for their products, even if you think you know a better one. Here in the Boston area a local furniture chain offered its customers 100% rebates for furniture purchased in April if the Boston Red Sox won the World Series. The Red Sox won and the customers have netted an estimated $30 million on the deal. The company had the deal underwritten by insurance so it turned out to be a great marketing ploy benefitting both the customers AND the company, but my point was that it was their decision to make. It would not have justified stealing a couch.

No amount of rationalization gets around the fact that stealing is stealing. There are plenty of other legal ways to get back at the record companies. Buy directly from indie artists, for example. Buy MP3's from eMusic (~25 cents apiece, 192 VBR) Or do what I do: Buy used CD's - this is perfectly legal, it's cheap, and the record companies never see a penny of it. This also gives me the option of ripping/encoding it any way I want.

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if I filled my shiny new 160gb iPod up legally, buying each track online at the 99 cents price that the industry has determined, it would cost me about $32,226. How does that make sense?
How would WHAT make sense? That you bought a 160G iPod without any thought to how you would fill it up with MP3's? Why is it the music industry's job to "make sense" of your purchase decision? If you bought a city parking garage and tried to fill it up with your own personal car collection and blew through your million dollar retirement nest egg before even one level was full would this justify stealing cars? You knew what music cost BEFORE buying your iPod (which, incidentally is 160G because it was designed with video in mind).

The bottom line is that a sense of entitlement is not the same as having an actual right to something. The European settlers who took over North America felt entitled to it, and, just like music pirates, they had the technology. We have people on this forum from all over the world, so if you happen to live in a country where the government bends the laws for "national security" reasons, remember: they are exercising their powers of rationalization the same as music pirates. Anything can be rationalized.
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post Oct 31 2007, 14:26
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QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 18:25) *
No amount of rationalization gets around the fact that stealing is stealing.

No amount of rationalization gets around the fact that copyright infringement is not stealing.

When somebody takes a CD from a record store without paying for it, they rob the store of the actual cost of the piece of plastic. The object itself has an actual monetary value, the store has already paid for it, they won't see that cash again, and they can't ever sell the object to anybody. That's stealing.

When somebody makes a digital copy illegally, no money has been lost by anybody. Nobody paid anything for that copy. The original is still there for someone to sell and someone to purchase. Nobody's been robbed of anything, except for a potential (and I can't stress that word enough) sale. The equation results in $0 instead of a potentially positive number, while stealing a CD always results in a negative number.

Please stop equating copyright infringement to stealing - it's just not the same. Period.


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- boombaard   When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink   Oct 29 2007, 21:30
- - neomoe   very nice read! thank you for sharing this...   Oct 29 2007, 22:58
- - Fandango   "so this is why CDs cost $18..." H...   Oct 29 2007, 23:17
- - seanyseansean   If you disregard their 'illegal' status, b...   Oct 30 2007, 00:19
- - LANjackal   Interesting. I was wondering just how long it woul...   Oct 30 2007, 02:02
- - Canar   Mentioning an illegal site that no longer exists i...   Oct 30 2007, 03:23
- - plnelson   I certainly don't disagree that the music indu...   Oct 30 2007, 18:25
|- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 18:25) No ...   Oct 31 2007, 14:26
- - Fandango   *rofl* Why is it always the stealing cars analogy ...   Oct 30 2007, 19:31
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Fandango @ Oct 30 2007, 14:31) *ro...   Oct 30 2007, 19:46
- - Canar   An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a track on...   Oct 30 2007, 20:30
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 15:30) An MP3...   Oct 30 2007, 21:31
- - neomoe   numbers are interpreted by a program, so they are ...   Oct 30 2007, 21:34
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (neomoe @ Oct 30 2007, 16:34) numbe...   Oct 30 2007, 21:51
|- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 30 2007, 15:51) ......   Oct 31 2007, 03:54
- - Canar   neomoe, at the basic level, words are numbers as w...   Oct 30 2007, 21:54
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Canar @ Oct 30 2007, 16:54) plnels...   Oct 30 2007, 23:22
- - boombaard   QUOTE An MP3 is a very long number. Likewise, a tr...   Oct 30 2007, 21:57
- - krabapple   from the rant: QUOTE because you can all but guar...   Oct 30 2007, 22:10
- - greynol   Didn't we already have this discussion a short...   Oct 30 2007, 23:26
- - Axon   The bigger question is how the overall flow of mon...   Oct 31 2007, 01:14
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Axon @ Oct 30 2007, 20:14) Would i...   Oct 31 2007, 16:09
|- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 16:09) All...   Oct 31 2007, 17:30
||- - plnelson   QUOTE (skamp @ Oct 31 2007, 12:30) QUOTE ...   Oct 31 2007, 18:20
||- - greynol   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 10:20) And...   Oct 31 2007, 18:55
||- - skamp   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 18:20) And...   Nov 1 2007, 09:41
|- - Artemis3   QUOTE (plnelson @ Oct 31 2007, 11:09) All...   Oct 31 2007, 19:22
|- - sraffa   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 13:22) . ....   Oct 31 2007, 20:19
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Oct 31 2007, 14:22) Rig...   Nov 6 2007, 18:24
- - digital   . . You cats need to take a stiff shot of your fa...   Oct 31 2007, 02:13
- - Fuchal   How long do you think before the labels are out of...   Oct 31 2007, 04:06
- - LANjackal   @ plnelson: Aren't you the same guy who starte...   Oct 31 2007, 04:29
- - Canar   Let's take a look at the people who are provid...   Oct 31 2007, 04:35
- - Artemis3   My, my, this topic is also here Quoting myself at...   Oct 31 2007, 07:27
- - boombaard   QUOTE All the armchair philosophizing in your post...   Oct 31 2007, 16:59
- - Triza   Just my 2 pence: Labels will be smaller, but they ...   Oct 31 2007, 23:15
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (Triza @ Nov 1 2007, 00:15) Just my...   Nov 1 2007, 06:19
- - Cosmo   Who pays $15 - $18 per CD?   Nov 1 2007, 00:20
- - SebastianG   CDs in Germany usually cost 15-18 EUR (20-25 USD)....   Nov 1 2007, 01:13
|- - Light-Fire   QUOTE (SebastianG @ Oct 31 2007, 19:13) C...   Nov 1 2007, 01:47
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- - Night Surfer   The numbers argument is funny. Of course one canno...   Nov 1 2007, 15:53
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|- - Pepzhez   An easy solution to this dilemma could be devised ...   Nov 1 2007, 21:14
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 22:14) An ea...   Nov 2 2007, 09:39
|- - plnelson   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 16:14) Had I...   Nov 6 2007, 18:40
||- - Pepzhez   QUOTE (plnelson @ Nov 6 2007, 09:40) If y...   Nov 7 2007, 05:58
|- - uart   QUOTE (Pepzhez @ Nov 1 2007, 12:14) Speak...   Nov 7 2007, 09:56
- - simonh   well said, pepzhez.   Nov 1 2007, 22:58
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|- - skamp   QUOTE (Fandango @ Nov 2 2007, 15:04) Yes,...   Nov 2 2007, 16:35
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