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Will you ask for a refund for the In rainbows download? If the audio q, If the audio quality or the format chosen is not to your liking willl
Will you ask for a refund for the In rainbows download? If the audio q
Will you ask for a refund for the In rainbows download?
Didn't pay, won't care. [ 31 ] ** [31.00%]
Ill take anything, [ 8 ] ** [8.00%]
average mp3 is good enough for me. [ 19 ] ** [19.00%]
no vorbis? no free speech, no quality, give me my money back [ 3 ] ** [3.00%]
lossless or bust, if its not a Flac lossless I wan't my cash back. [ 26 ] ** [26.00%]
they can keep the money I'll download it when it hits the stores [ 13 ] ** [13.00%]
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Anansi
post Oct 7 2007, 22:41
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their gesture is awesome and I pre-ordered it myself but I'm not gonna redeem some lousy mp3 encoding download . I prefer to either let them have the money and download a better version when it its the stores or just ask for a refund, whats your opinion on this?

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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1571737/2...radiohead.jhtml


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QUOTE (Gow @ Oct 12 2007, 12:08) *

There are so many ignorant statements with regard to bitrate/quality I don't know where to begin.
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QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Oct 12 2007, 18:45) *
QUOTE (Gow @ Oct 12 2007, 12:08) *

There are so many ignorant statements with regard to bitrate/quality I don't know where to begin.


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Radiohead's previous albums were already available as MP3s encoded at 320 kilobits per second the highest-possible compression rate in the format (though still not nearing the quality of a compact disc)

Here will do.


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post Oct 13 2007, 20:19
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QUOTE (TREX6662k6 @ Oct 12 2007, 17:10) *
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Radiohead's previous albums were already available as MP3s encoded at 320 kilobits per second the highest-possible compression rate in the format (though still not nearing the quality of a compact disc)

Here will do.


Really lossy equals lossless? That is news to me... hehehehe Though that wasn't the reason I posted it...I posted it to show that the fanbase was upset due to Radiohead's half-hearted effort. Granted it was pay whatever you want but that is still a poor excuse to anger your fanbase, is it not?

Do I go about giving people an amount of money they specify than hit them below the kneecaps with my aluminum bat? Do you think they would allow me to get away with the excuse that they paid for what they got and could set their own price, so they can't complain, right? (Slapstick hooray!!)

*Waits with aluminum batted breath to go out amongst the people*

Anyways...I kid...I haven't listened to Radiohead since OK Computer, so quite frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn.

Although, if Trent follows this route I will complain because Trent should know better. Though I don't think Trent will pull that whole *Name your own price* stunt so that it sort of forces people to get the CD for some quality choice music.

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post Oct 14 2007, 10:58
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QUOTE (Gow @ Oct 13 2007, 20:19) *
I posted it to show that the fanbase was upset due to Radiohead's half-hearted effort. Granted it was pay whatever you want but that is still a poor excuse to anger your fanbase, is it not?
I think you (or they) are confusing a few audiophiles with a massive fanbase.

As I said before: this talk of a rip-off is just nonsense. Granted, those people who pre-ordered expecting something that they didn't get (from 192kbps CBR to FLAC and a pat on the head) may have some cause to feel dispappointed - if you forget the fact that they were indifferent enough to pre-order something without knowing what it actually was. I use "indifferent" rather than "dumb", as many people will have pre-ordered and are now totally happy that they can listen to In Rainbows well before the boxset is released, oblivious to the fact that some audiophiles feel peeved because they anticipated something else.

However, where is the rip off now that the album has been released? It's easy to find out what format the tracks are in (I assume they have not felt the need to make a statement on their site). Are people still downloading it for as little as 0p and as much as 10? Indubitably.

QUOTE (Gabriel @ Oct 14 2007, 09:31) *
The question is: would the band object against people ripping from the CD once it's out, if they already payed online for the mp3s?
If the subtext of this is "Have they released 160kbps knowing that users will end up feeling the need to buy the CD?" then I very much hope - and expect - not. I for one am clinging to the fact that there was no malice or subdefuge in their actions. They released the album in a quality that they saw (it seems quite accurately) equitable to the main supplier of downloaded tracks (iTunes). Granted this was without considering iTunes' recent (partial) update to 256kbps, or the new Amazon service.

The thing is, I would never pay as much for a download as for a CD, where you have full (release) quality, artwork, and a physical object. With that in mind I don't think it would be morally right for me to download a lossless version because I have paid for the MP3s. I paid knowing that all I'd get was a lossy version of the album.

If I had paid CD price then it would not feel quite so wrong, as I wouldn't be getting the artwork, physical media, etc.

Edit: Actually, given the premise that the download is an alternative version (or medium) of the album - not an addition to the boxset or CD - then I suppose you could say that it would be fair to do so (and therefore I believe the answer to be 'no' (got there in the end)). My problem is that I'm still fixed on CDs, and never see downloaded MP3s as a full replacement...

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- Anansi   Will you ask for a refund for the In rainbows download? If the audio q   Oct 7 2007, 22:41
- - Dave_K   QUOTE (Anansi @ Oct 7 2007, 21:41) their ...   Oct 7 2007, 23:33
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (Dave_K @ Oct 7 2007, 16:33) As for...   Oct 8 2007, 00:08
- - The Seeker   QUOTE (Anansi @ Oct 7 2007, 22:41) I pref...   Oct 8 2007, 00:02
- - Fuchal   It's going to be mp3. There is no other forma...   Oct 8 2007, 00:14
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (Fuchal @ Oct 7 2007, 17:14) It...   Oct 8 2007, 09:10
|- - xip   QUOTE (Fuchal @ Oct 7 2007, 15:14) It...   Oct 27 2007, 00:55
- - dngrCharlie   Is it possible that the download will be CD Audio ...   Oct 8 2007, 01:03
- - Synthetic Soul   My guess will be 320 CBR MP3. FLAC would be a rea...   Oct 8 2007, 09:15
|- - SebastianG   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Oct 8 2007, 10:15...   Oct 8 2007, 12:29
- - evereux   QUOTE lossless or bust, if its not a Flac lossless...   Oct 8 2007, 10:58
- - Synthetic Soul   I assume that we will know the format and quality ...   Oct 8 2007, 13:55
- - xmixahlx   dude. just pay them for the mp3 download (if you ...   Oct 8 2007, 18:02
- - Anansi   QUOTE THANK YOU FOR ORDERING IN RAINBOWS. THIS IS ...   Oct 9 2007, 22:58
- - Bourne   160 kbps CBR mp3... plain clear that their focus ...   Oct 10 2007, 00:22
- - /mnt   160kbps, thats pretty lame and i thought Nine Inch...   Oct 10 2007, 00:44
- - Synthetic Soul   Mr Questionman says the files are LAME 3.93. Here...   Oct 10 2007, 08:59
- - Dologan   Pretty lame... literally. Just got my download and...   Oct 10 2007, 09:10
|- - herbslolo   QUOTE (Dologan @ Oct 10 2007, 02:10) In a...   Oct 10 2007, 09:29
- - Canar   Another artist trying to get it and failing misera...   Oct 10 2007, 09:36
- - Synthetic Soul   You can't seriously believe that artists are g...   Oct 10 2007, 09:55
|- - Canar   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Oct 10 2007, 01:5...   Oct 11 2007, 01:29
- - Remedial Sound   Seriously, for what they're doing 160kbps CBR ...   Oct 10 2007, 09:57
- - twostar   people should start listening to the music and not...   Oct 10 2007, 10:29
- - Anansi   most people that care about the quality are also m...   Oct 10 2007, 11:09
- - Synthetic Soul   I would say to anyone complaining: why pay for som...   Oct 10 2007, 11:22
|- - evereux   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Oct 10 2007, 11:2...   Oct 10 2007, 11:35
- - Dave_K   I was hoping for 256Kb and preferably VBR, but was...   Oct 10 2007, 12:29
- - Dologan   Streaming, perhaps?   Oct 10 2007, 12:51
- - shadowking   Ripping councils, r3mix etc have scared normal peo...   Oct 10 2007, 13:10
- - Martin F.   IMHO VBR is appropriate even for streaming when yo...   Oct 10 2007, 13:33
|- - bug80   QUOTE (Martin F. @ Oct 10 2007, 14:33) IM...   Oct 24 2007, 11:05
- - BradPDX   I wouldn't wait for any commercial releases in...   Oct 10 2007, 19:33
- - Martin F.   Why not offer multiple formats?   Oct 10 2007, 19:44
|- - windowshade   QUOTE (Martin F. @ Oct 10 2007, 12:44) Wh...   Oct 11 2007, 03:31
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (Martin F. @ Oct 10 2007, 13:44) Wh...   Oct 11 2007, 04:58
- - Iceberg   In my opinion, LAME 3.93 CBR 160 kbps joint-stereo...   Oct 11 2007, 01:07
- - Martin F.   praeter necessitatem Anyway, for me FLAC is suff...   Oct 11 2007, 03:47
- - hushypushy   Listened to it today...not sure if I was hearing M...   Oct 11 2007, 04:15
- - windowshade   QUOTE (Martin F. @ Oct 10 2007, 20:47) An...   Oct 11 2007, 04:44
- - Axon   Radiohead could sure settle this issue for good by...   Oct 11 2007, 05:53
- - trev   the "commercial standard" unfortunately ...   Oct 12 2007, 13:06
- - poohead   Well I paid for the bundle, but since learning tha...   Oct 12 2007, 13:36
- - Gow   http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1571737/2...radio...   Oct 12 2007, 17:08
|- - Remedial Sound   QUOTE (Gow @ Oct 12 2007, 12:08) http://w...   Oct 12 2007, 18:45
|- - TREX6662k6   QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Oct 12 2007, 18:4...   Oct 12 2007, 22:10
|- - JasonQ   The big question is : Is the music itself any goo...   Oct 12 2007, 22:42
|- - Gow   QUOTE (TREX6662k6 @ Oct 12 2007, 17:10) Q...   Oct 13 2007, 20:19
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Gow @ Oct 13 2007, 20:19) I posted...   Oct 14 2007, 10:58
- - BradPDX   I paid a few bucks for it to see what all the fuss...   Oct 12 2007, 18:43
|- - poohead   QUOTE (BradPDX @ Oct 13 2007, 03:43) Give...   Oct 12 2007, 21:52
|- - BradPDX   QUOTE (poohead @ Oct 12 2007, 13:52) QUOT...   Oct 12 2007, 22:49
|- - poohead   QUOTE (BradPDX @ Oct 13 2007, 07:49) Peop...   Oct 13 2007, 02:08
|- - novocane   I payed a "normal" price for the CD in t...   Oct 13 2007, 19:59
- - Gabriel   The question is: would the band object against peo...   Oct 14 2007, 09:31
- - trev   QUOTE Radiohead's previous albums were already...   Oct 14 2007, 14:51
|- - Mirage2k   QUOTE (trev @ Oct 14 2007, 09:51) QUOTE R...   Oct 14 2007, 15:41
- - beyondipod   What a circus . While you all debate about the q...   Oct 24 2007, 10:05
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (beyondipod @ Oct 24 2007, 10:05) W...   Oct 24 2007, 12:44
- - hybridfan   Should of been flac   Oct 24 2007, 11:56
- - evereux   Anyone else here the glitch in 04. Weird Fishes/Ar...   Oct 26 2007, 11:12
|- - windowshade   QUOTE (evereux @ Oct 26 2007, 04:12) Anyo...   Oct 27 2007, 03:45
|- - Ron Jones   QUOTE (evereux @ Oct 26 2007, 02:12) Anyo...   Oct 27 2007, 04:55
- - jcoalson   don't know if this deserves it's own threa...   Oct 27 2007, 00:44
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (jcoalson @ Oct 27 2007, 00:44) don...   Oct 27 2007, 07:08
- - digital   Ya, I hear those 'tics' as well guys. Odd...   Oct 27 2007, 09:37
|- - evereux   QUOTE (digital @ Oct 27 2007, 09:37) Ya, ...   Oct 27 2007, 10:09
|- - Wombat   QUOTE (evereux @ Oct 27 2007, 11:09) QUOT...   Oct 27 2007, 13:30
- - AJ_UK   The 2 I paid for it I can't complain, its a b...   Dec 6 2007, 00:07


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