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post Apr 20 2007, 13:26
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I'm just throwing this out, I don't care if the mods move or delete this post.

For the past several years I've had a very nice cache of cyan mushrooms. Yes the psychoactive ones. The ones that make you trip.

I've noticed something interesting - I think they improve my hearing. If I take just a small amount, like a nickel sized piece of shroom flesh - not enough to trip, it makes my hearing more acute. I swear. I'm almost 40, have good hearing normally. I find I become much more sensitive to high frequency sounds (like my CRT, computer power supply and fans) and I think my hearing overall becomes more acute. Suddenly I can hear the neighbors in my apartment complex much more clearly (having good hearing can be a bit of a curse).

I doubt the drug changes the mechanics of hearing, but it does tweak the nerve conduction and sensory processing. It's thought that most of perception is unconscious and a lot of stuff gets filtered before it reaches the level of conscious perception. Perhaps the drug removes some of this filtering?

I've read a few accounts online that agree with this, including one person with moderate hearing loss that found low doses of shrooms helped his hearing greatly.

It would be interesting to actually measure this and see if there's a real difference in hearing acuity, or if it's all in your head unsure.gif
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post Jul 28 2011, 05:15
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rebinator, the subjective experiences you describe aren't the problem, per se. You, alone, perceive whatever you perceive. You might even have a way of quantifying those perceptions and recording how they differ when you're in different mental states. But you don't stop there; you publicly imply that these differences in perception are generally experienced, and this forms your defense of your initial, concern-raising claim that shrooms generally improve hearing.

Even if you say these experiences are only applicable to you or are just your opinion, no one can verify them because the claims are not supported with empirical evidence, thus they're unwelcome on this board.

I'm sure more than a few readers can sympathize with your excitement about having noticed things while not-sober/not-fully-awake that you didn't notice while relatively cogent, and vice-versa. Likewise, it's natural for you to want others to appreciate that this phenomenon is real, i.e. that there's "more to the music" than just what one normally notices—or more broadly, that one's normal/sober/waking way of perceiving sensory input isn't necessarily synonymous with being completely unimpaired or having a complete, correct focus on and understanding of what actually exists. You may be surprised to find that although it's a foreign concept to some, this really isn't that radical a mode of thought; it's the kind of thing covered in introductory psychology and philosophy courses, and many people come to the same realizations without the aid of psychedelics.

Research to demonstrate your and others' subjective experience in this regard and to measure its consistency would probably be interesting, and it might even persuade a few skeptics to be less dismissive, but it would be quite unreasonable to conclude from such research that hearing is "improved" by psychedelics (the first claim you made) and that the effective is "positive", or even that "a tremendous amount of information is contained in the ambient part of a sound". I'm essentially echoing points made in the original posts of this thread when I ask: who's to say what constitutes an "improvement" or whether the details missed by the sober listener are important information? Even among strictly sober listeners with similar hearing, you'll find that some people notice & appreciate things that most people miss, and they miss things that most notice. So how do you even establish a baseline or get a sense of whose perception is more "correct"? You can't, really.

I'm reminded of the "fundamental hearer" vs. "overtone hearer" research from a few years back. It's fascinating to find that the general population pretty solidly breaks down into one group or the other, and it's fun to wonder about the ramifications of that, but it would be improper to say that one group hears "better" or "more of the music" than the other.

So the easiest way to satisfy TOS#8 is to retract your claims. If you did manage to collect & share evidence in support of the claim that different mental states yield different awarenesses, then you wouldn't have to worry about retracting that part, but you'd still be on the hook for the more important and less plausible claim that shrooms "improve" hearing. I suggest just bailing now smile.gif
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- FloggedSynapse   psilocybin mushrooms improve hearing?   Apr 20 2007, 13:26
- - pest   In my opinion, psychoactive drugs don't improv...   Apr 20 2007, 13:41
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (pest @ Apr 20 2007, 07:41) In my o...   Apr 20 2007, 14:27
- - marcan   Definitely an interesting discussion. I work in t...   Apr 20 2007, 13:49
- - Societal Eclipse   On a particularly large dose of Elemicin in a crow...   Apr 20 2007, 14:47
- - Big_Berny   It would be interesting if ABXing is easier with t...   Apr 20 2007, 15:18
- - boojum   Better living through chemicals; yeah, right.   Apr 20 2007, 15:30
- - Societal Eclipse   I don't think anyone here is/was advocating dr...   Apr 20 2007, 15:57
|- - boojum   QUOTE (Societal Eclipse @ Apr 20 2007, 07...   Apr 20 2007, 21:51
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (boojum @ Apr 20 2007, 15:51) Seems...   Apr 20 2007, 22:46
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (FloggedSynapse @ Apr 20 2007, 13:4...   Apr 21 2007, 18:24
|- - Akuostophile   [quote name='Cornie' date='Apr 21 2007...   Apr 21 2007, 21:04
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 21 2007, 12:04)...   Apr 21 2007, 21:27
|- - Akuostophile   Actually, my reply was to FloggedSynapse - as you ...   Apr 21 2007, 21:50
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 21 2007, 12:50)...   Apr 21 2007, 23:47
|- - Akuostophile   QUOTE (Cornie @ Apr 21 2007, 18:47) QUOTE...   Apr 22 2007, 03:22
|- - boojum   [/quote] As the original poster questioned, I too ...   Apr 22 2007, 21:14
- - Nick E   Why the Latinate name? See George Orwell: Politics...   Apr 20 2007, 18:08
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 20 2007, 12:08) Why t...   Apr 20 2007, 21:29
- - marcan   I tried, without too much excess, a lot of differe...   Apr 20 2007, 22:11
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 20 2007, 18:08) I sup...   Apr 21 2007, 08:01
- - de Mon   Can you prove your listening abilities become bett...   Apr 21 2007, 09:14
- - znode   QUOTE (FloggedSynapse @ Apr 20 2007, 04:2...   Apr 21 2007, 09:16
- - Akuostophile   It would be interesting to actually measure this a...   Apr 21 2007, 15:38
- - The Seeker   Terence McKenna stated that even at moderate dosag...   Apr 21 2007, 17:19
- - Donunus   are we talking listening like daredevil here?   Apr 21 2007, 21:20
|- - Akuostophile   QUOTE (Donunus @ Apr 21 2007, 16:20) are ...   Apr 21 2007, 21:36
- - Lyx   Psychedelics in general (not just sound) rarely ...   Apr 22 2007, 15:38
|- - marcan   I start a comparable subject few years ago here on...   Apr 23 2007, 00:17
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (marcan @ Apr 23 2007, 01:17) As I ...   Apr 23 2007, 00:29
|- - marcan   QUOTE (Lyx @ Apr 22 2007, 15:29) The test...   Apr 23 2007, 00:51
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (marcan @ Apr 23 2007, 01:51) Well ...   Apr 23 2007, 00:59
- - Lyx   Sorry, but the above post serves no useful purpose...   Apr 22 2007, 21:21
|- - Kees de Visser   There are probably quite some studies on the subje...   Apr 22 2007, 22:32
- - Mo0zOoH   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 22 2007, 06:22)...   Apr 22 2007, 23:58
- - greynol   Perhaps new psychoacoustic models can be created t...   Apr 23 2007, 00:35
|- - marcan   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 22 2007, 15:35) Perh...   Apr 23 2007, 00:40
- - Woodinville   Well, I haven't a clue about the subject at ha...   Apr 24 2007, 19:09
- - krabapple   and indeed, hallucinogens have long been associate...   Apr 27 2007, 05:37
- - turtledude23   But are you saying you can hear better all the tim...   Apr 29 2007, 19:34
- - dlorde   I think it depends what is meant by 'improve...   May 3 2007, 16:47
- - rebinator   Shrooms (4-HO-DMT) imroving hearing? I daresay the...   Jun 24 2011, 07:17
- - mudlord   Got any ABX tests to prove those claims?   Jun 25 2011, 11:33
|- - rebinator   would you ever accept transcriptions? The extra pa...   Jul 27 2011, 06:53
- - db1989   rebinator, I think most readers would appreciate a...   Jun 25 2011, 14:13
|- - rebinator   by the very terms of service, then, the question o...   Jul 27 2011, 07:30
|- - klonuo   QUOTE (rebinator @ Jul 27 2011, 08:30) if...   Jul 28 2011, 22:02
- - mjb2006   rebinator, the subjective experiences you describe...   Jul 28 2011, 05:15
- - db1989   Your idea of transcribing in both states and compa...   Jul 28 2011, 20:42
- - pdq   I don't see how one could do a valid ABX test ...   Jul 28 2011, 21:01
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   Supposedly LSD at some dosage can increase the abi...   Mar 1 2012, 08:04


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