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post Apr 20 2007, 13:26
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I'm just throwing this out, I don't care if the mods move or delete this post.

For the past several years I've had a very nice cache of cyan mushrooms. Yes the psychoactive ones. The ones that make you trip.

I've noticed something interesting - I think they improve my hearing. If I take just a small amount, like a nickel sized piece of shroom flesh - not enough to trip, it makes my hearing more acute. I swear. I'm almost 40, have good hearing normally. I find I become much more sensitive to high frequency sounds (like my CRT, computer power supply and fans) and I think my hearing overall becomes more acute. Suddenly I can hear the neighbors in my apartment complex much more clearly (having good hearing can be a bit of a curse).

I doubt the drug changes the mechanics of hearing, but it does tweak the nerve conduction and sensory processing. It's thought that most of perception is unconscious and a lot of stuff gets filtered before it reaches the level of conscious perception. Perhaps the drug removes some of this filtering?

I've read a few accounts online that agree with this, including one person with moderate hearing loss that found low doses of shrooms helped his hearing greatly.

It would be interesting to actually measure this and see if there's a real difference in hearing acuity, or if it's all in your head unsure.gif
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Lyx
post Apr 22 2007, 15:38
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Psychedelics in general (not just sound) rarely "improve" ones perception and never improve ones *processing*. Most of the time, they simply *change* how we perceive. Regarding sound, we may notice aspects of the sound, which we didnt notice before, while at the same time NOT perceiving some aspects, which we knew already. So, it is shifting and manipulation - not improvement.

There are two reason, why it makes no sense to use them for ABXing: first, if hypothetically via psychedelics you can notice lots of artifacts, which you didnt notice before, then this is acutually a GOOD sign - it means that the encoder sucessfully threw away lots of information, which we cannot hear in usual mindstates. Using psychedelics for ABXing is stupid and poisons the results - unless you want an encoder specifically for listening while on psy - good luck finding a coder to put that much effort in, just for this. The second reason is that the use of psychedelics leads to less robust and reliable reasoning and cognitive abilities. This is because psy changes (and in rare cases widens) our PERCEPTION, without adjusting our PROCESSING for this. So, the consumer is confronted with effects which he cannot reliably understand and analyze. People who do have the necessary processing-skills for analyzing alternate mind-states, dont need psy in the first place, because they can shift their mindstates by themselves, without relying on material enforcement. Thus, the users of psy-drugs typically take them, because they lack coresponding processing-skills. This makes most psy-users quite unrealiable in the cognitive domain.

A much more interesting question would be, if people who do have more control over their consciousness and who can manipulate it with their will, are able to spot artifacts, which others cannot. On the other hand - taking me as an example - when i am in such states, i have better things to do that ABXing - it would be the last thing i would care about - which throws us back to an earlier question: who should actually use an encoder which accounts for such usually unperceivable effects? When there is no problem/need, then who needs a solution?

- Lyx

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post Apr 23 2007, 00:17
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I start a comparable subject few years ago here on ha:
Does Cannabis Increase Your Audio Peception?

The question here is "psilocybin mushrooms improve hearing?".

Obviously, some substance can improve our physical performance, so why some might not improve our perception (and hearing in this case)?

As I already stated in this thread, amongst the substance I have already experiment, mdma and mda gave me the stronger improvement. In order to be sure I wasn't "hallucinating", I verified this with abx test. I was able to easily distinguish a certain number of mp3 (aps) with the original wav. I failed to reproduce the same performance under normal circumstances. I was also able to hear the limitation of the AD/DA (a good one tho, Apogee Rosetta 800), but I have to experiment a little bit more about this (I will make a recording session with an analogue tape and the Apogee in order to compare them).

According to what was suggest in this thread, I tried some shrooms this weekend. My first impression is that it might improve the hearing but it clearly makes the music more enjoyable. It was less spectacular (in terms of hearing) than mdma but the improvement seems to be more balanced (the improvement with mdma is more sensible in the highs for me). However I didn't have the chance to confirm an improvement with abx test. Next time I will try to perform some…

For the information, Psilocybin and psilocin (mushrooms active components) and mdma act both on the serotonin (neurotransmitter), creating a large release of it in the brain. However mdma is much more toxic than mushrooms.

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- FloggedSynapse   psilocybin mushrooms improve hearing?   Apr 20 2007, 13:26
- - pest   In my opinion, psychoactive drugs don't improv...   Apr 20 2007, 13:41
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (pest @ Apr 20 2007, 07:41) In my o...   Apr 20 2007, 14:27
- - marcan   Definitely an interesting discussion. I work in t...   Apr 20 2007, 13:49
- - Societal Eclipse   On a particularly large dose of Elemicin in a crow...   Apr 20 2007, 14:47
- - Big_Berny   It would be interesting if ABXing is easier with t...   Apr 20 2007, 15:18
- - boojum   Better living through chemicals; yeah, right.   Apr 20 2007, 15:30
- - Societal Eclipse   I don't think anyone here is/was advocating dr...   Apr 20 2007, 15:57
|- - boojum   QUOTE (Societal Eclipse @ Apr 20 2007, 07...   Apr 20 2007, 21:51
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (boojum @ Apr 20 2007, 15:51) Seems...   Apr 20 2007, 22:46
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (FloggedSynapse @ Apr 20 2007, 13:4...   Apr 21 2007, 18:24
|- - Akuostophile   [quote name='Cornie' date='Apr 21 2007...   Apr 21 2007, 21:04
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 21 2007, 12:04)...   Apr 21 2007, 21:27
|- - Akuostophile   Actually, my reply was to FloggedSynapse - as you ...   Apr 21 2007, 21:50
|- - Cornie   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 21 2007, 12:50)...   Apr 21 2007, 23:47
|- - Akuostophile   QUOTE (Cornie @ Apr 21 2007, 18:47) QUOTE...   Apr 22 2007, 03:22
|- - boojum   [/quote] As the original poster questioned, I too ...   Apr 22 2007, 21:14
- - Nick E   Why the Latinate name? See George Orwell: Politics...   Apr 20 2007, 18:08
|- - FloggedSynapse   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 20 2007, 12:08) Why t...   Apr 20 2007, 21:29
- - marcan   I tried, without too much excess, a lot of differe...   Apr 20 2007, 22:11
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 20 2007, 18:08) I sup...   Apr 21 2007, 08:01
- - de Mon   Can you prove your listening abilities become bett...   Apr 21 2007, 09:14
- - znode   QUOTE (FloggedSynapse @ Apr 20 2007, 04:2...   Apr 21 2007, 09:16
- - Akuostophile   It would be interesting to actually measure this a...   Apr 21 2007, 15:38
- - The Seeker   Terence McKenna stated that even at moderate dosag...   Apr 21 2007, 17:19
- - Donunus   are we talking listening like daredevil here?   Apr 21 2007, 21:20
|- - Akuostophile   QUOTE (Donunus @ Apr 21 2007, 16:20) are ...   Apr 21 2007, 21:36
- - Lyx   Psychedelics in general (not just sound) rarely ...   Apr 22 2007, 15:38
|- - marcan   I start a comparable subject few years ago here on...   Apr 23 2007, 00:17
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (marcan @ Apr 23 2007, 01:17) As I ...   Apr 23 2007, 00:29
|- - marcan   QUOTE (Lyx @ Apr 22 2007, 15:29) The test...   Apr 23 2007, 00:51
|- - Lyx   QUOTE (marcan @ Apr 23 2007, 01:51) Well ...   Apr 23 2007, 00:59
- - Lyx   Sorry, but the above post serves no useful purpose...   Apr 22 2007, 21:21
|- - Kees de Visser   There are probably quite some studies on the subje...   Apr 22 2007, 22:32
- - Mo0zOoH   QUOTE (Akuostophile @ Apr 22 2007, 06:22)...   Apr 22 2007, 23:58
- - greynol   Perhaps new psychoacoustic models can be created t...   Apr 23 2007, 00:35
|- - marcan   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 22 2007, 15:35) Perh...   Apr 23 2007, 00:40
- - Woodinville   Well, I haven't a clue about the subject at ha...   Apr 24 2007, 19:09
- - krabapple   and indeed, hallucinogens have long been associate...   Apr 27 2007, 05:37
- - turtledude23   But are you saying you can hear better all the tim...   Apr 29 2007, 19:34
- - dlorde   I think it depends what is meant by 'improve...   May 3 2007, 16:47
- - rebinator   Shrooms (4-HO-DMT) imroving hearing? I daresay the...   Jun 24 2011, 07:17
- - mudlord   Got any ABX tests to prove those claims?   Jun 25 2011, 11:33
|- - rebinator   would you ever accept transcriptions? The extra pa...   Jul 27 2011, 06:53
- - db1989   rebinator, I think most readers would appreciate a...   Jun 25 2011, 14:13
|- - rebinator   by the very terms of service, then, the question o...   Jul 27 2011, 07:30
|- - klonuo   QUOTE (rebinator @ Jul 27 2011, 08:30) if...   Jul 28 2011, 22:02
- - mjb2006   rebinator, the subjective experiences you describe...   Jul 28 2011, 05:15
- - db1989   Your idea of transcribing in both states and compa...   Jul 28 2011, 20:42
- - pdq   I don't see how one could do a valid ABX test ...   Jul 28 2011, 21:01
- - Bartholomew MacGruber   Supposedly LSD at some dosage can increase the abi...   Mar 1 2012, 08:04


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