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Tomb
post Apr 19 2007, 18:18
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I, like many, use the ogg vorbis encoder. This article in today's Guardian (UK) may be of interest. In summary the writer states that ogg is a music file format without support or hope. Any thoughts?
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post May 7 2007, 14:31
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On osnews there is a "Review: The OGG-Compatible iRiver E10"
this is the start:

"Everytime we feature a multimedia device review here at OSNews the question is always the same: "...but does it support OGG?"

So, it seems that
- Iriver supports Vorbis
- geeks (and lead users) always ask for it.

I think there is no way from a player other than iPod to enter in the (small? high-priced?) segment of "audio enthusiasts" without vorbis.
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post May 7 2007, 17:17
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QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 7 2007, 10:31) *
I think there is no way from a player other than iPod to enter in the (small? high-priced?) segment of "audio enthusiasts" without vorbis.


Don't confuse "audio enthusiasts" with "computer nerds".


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post May 8 2007, 11:58
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 7 2007, 08:17) *
Don't confuse "audio enthusiasts" with "computer nerds".


I'm sure most of audio enthusiasts neither need, know, or use Vorbis, but all new "high quality" players I'm seeing these days support ogg Vorbis, more than the past. (but Creative, Microsoft and Apple, of course)

It seems Vorbis support is almost mandatory to differentiate your product if you don't have a large user base, high marketing budget, and you don't want to produce extremely cheap low-quality players.

Am I wrong?

off-topic: Vorbis is used by Wiktionary!!!
And publicized with an how-to page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help_%28Ogg%29
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QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 8 2007, 07:58) *
(but Creative, Microsoft and Apple, of course)


Creative, Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Panasonic, Philips, SanDisk, Archos...

The list goes on and on.

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It seems Vorbis support is almost mandatory to differentiate your product if you don't have a large user base, high marketing budget, and you don't want to produce extremely cheap low-quality players.

Am I wrong?


Yes. If you want differentiation, it's much easier and cheaper to create a different, compelling design than adapting and optimizing Tremor to work on your hardware platform (unlike MP3 and WMA, you usually don't find highly optimized Vorbis libraries from the chip vendors themselves).


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- Tomb   Ogg Vorbis in The Guardian (UK)   Apr 19 2007, 18:18
- - naylor83   QUOTE (Tomb @ Apr 19 2007, 19:18) Any tho...   Apr 19 2007, 18:22
- - Remedial Sound   I also don't agree with the quote (millions of...   Apr 19 2007, 19:20
|- - Nick E   QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Apr 19 2007, 12:2...   Apr 19 2007, 19:44
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 19 2007, 14:44) QUOTE...   Apr 19 2007, 20:32
|- - naylor83   Well, I guess, for me all that matters is that the...   Apr 19 2007, 22:16
- - LANjackal   QUOTE If you look at the Top Ten Reviews list of p...   Apr 19 2007, 19:34
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 19 2007, 15:34) Tr...   Apr 19 2007, 22:58
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 19 2007, 16:58) QUO...   Apr 20 2007, 01:21
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 19 2007, 21:21) QUO...   Apr 23 2007, 11:54
||- - LANjackal   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 23 2007, 06:54) Yea...   Apr 23 2007, 13:10
|||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 23 2007, 09:10) If...   Apr 25 2007, 15:39
||||- - Julien   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 25 2007, 16:39) I d...   Apr 25 2007, 17:53
||||- - LANjackal   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 25 2007, 10:39) QUO...   Apr 25 2007, 18:36
||||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 25 2007, 14:36) Th...   Apr 26 2007, 04:43
|||- - sonytp50   QUOTE (Rio @ Apr 23 2007, 07:05) We just ...   May 8 2007, 15:54
||- - jcoalson   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 23 2007, 05:54) QUO...   May 8 2007, 22:47
|- - aabxx   QUOTE Besides, it's not that perfect for PC pl...   May 16 2007, 01:44
- - ChesterB   Sorry for the off-topic, but why do you guys talk ...   Apr 19 2007, 20:27
- - gameplaya15143   QUOTE (Tomb @ Apr 19 2007, 13:18) ogg is ...   Apr 19 2007, 22:15
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Apr 19 2007, 17:1...   Apr 19 2007, 22:51
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Apr 19 2007, 18:1...   Apr 20 2007, 00:02
|- - Squeller   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 19 2007, 15:02) In ...   Apr 22 2007, 11:58
- - Silversight   QUOTE An industry giant could drive support for Og...   Apr 20 2007, 00:12
|- - Maurits   QUOTE (Silversight @ Apr 19 2007, 23:12) ...   Apr 20 2007, 01:31
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Maurits @ Apr 19 2007, 20:31) Ther...   Apr 20 2007, 03:17
- - PatchWorKs   QUOTE (Silversight @ Apr 20 2007, 01:12) ...   Apr 20 2007, 10:32
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Apr 20 2007, 06:32) S...   Apr 20 2007, 10:55
|- - niktheblak   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 20 2007, 12:55) Cou...   Apr 20 2007, 11:46
- - damaki   QUOTE (Squeller @ Apr 22 2007, 11:58) The...   Apr 22 2007, 12:52
- - maikmerten   Well, actually I think such DAP centric discussion...   Apr 22 2007, 14:38
- - Rio   Vorbis has just added one follower, and that's...   Apr 23 2007, 12:05
- - sketchy_c   My few personal ~128 kbps ABC/HR tests have given ...   Apr 23 2007, 13:14
- - naylor83   I have only converted one person into a Vorbis use...   Apr 26 2007, 22:40
- - gameplaya15143   QUOTE (maikmerten @ Apr 22 2007, 09:38) T...   Apr 26 2007, 23:07
- - turke   A question. Does it really worth to rip as ogg vor...   Apr 27 2007, 00:36
|- - Mr Bungle   QUOTE (turke @ Apr 27 2007, 09:36) A ques...   Apr 27 2007, 02:45
- - Nikaki   I don't need Vorbis to have "a promising ...   Apr 27 2007, 04:06
- - vlada   gameplaya15143 The latest information I heard is t...   Apr 27 2007, 08:04
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 03:04) turke ...   Apr 27 2007, 08:40
|- - Kirby54925   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 00:04) gamepl...   Apr 29 2007, 10:41
- - vlada   Sure, I forgot to mention I mean SW players. And f...   Apr 27 2007, 12:17
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 07:17) And fo...   Apr 27 2007, 12:33
||- - vlada   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 27 2007, 13:33) Ye...   Apr 29 2007, 09:50
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 29 2007, 09:50) I woul...   Apr 30 2007, 09:52
||- - [JAZ]   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 30 2007, 09:52) QU...   Apr 30 2007, 11:04
|- - eofor   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 12:17) Ogg Vo...   Apr 27 2007, 14:00
|- - maikmerten   QUOTE (eofor @ Apr 27 2007, 13:00) ogg is...   Apr 30 2007, 12:23
- - Mercurio   As someone said, Ogg Vorbis is the standard for th...   Apr 28 2007, 12:08
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Mercurio @ Apr 28 2007, 07:08) Whe...   Apr 28 2007, 17:20
|- - aabxx   QUOTE (Mercurio @ Apr 28 2007, 03:08) And...   Jun 1 2007, 21:53
- - Hollunder   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 27 2007, 13:33) QU...   Apr 28 2007, 12:55
- - Nikaki   Win/OSX do not want Vorbis to exist. Seems like th...   Apr 28 2007, 15:48
- - LANjackal   @2Bdecided: +1 to what you said. It's a common...   Apr 30 2007, 10:19
- - vlada   2Bdecided Well, yes you're partially ri...   Apr 30 2007, 16:48
- - Squeller   I have a strong reason rather to encode to nero aa...   May 7 2007, 13:49
- - Mercurio   On osnews there is a "Review: The OGG-Compati...   May 7 2007, 14:31
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 7 2007, 10:31) I th...   May 7 2007, 17:17
|- - Mercurio   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 7 2007, 08:17) Don...   May 8 2007, 11:58
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 8 2007, 07:58) (but...   May 8 2007, 15:45
|- - Mercurio   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 8 2007, 06:45) Yes....   May 8 2007, 16:32
|- - sonytp50   QUOTE The programmer of mp3splt is working to a gu...   May 8 2007, 16:59
- - Maurits   Well, if for your definition of "high quality...   May 8 2007, 12:20
- - Mercurio   Here at Hydrogenaudio there are a lot of sophists ...   May 8 2007, 15:06
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (sonytp50 @ May 8 2007, 11:54) In m...   May 9 2007, 00:21
|- - sonytp50   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 8 2007, 23:21) Fine...   May 9 2007, 08:09
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (sonytp50 @ May 9 2007, 14:09) QUOT...   May 16 2007, 08:49
- - jcoalson   but there's no need to wait, the ALAC decoder ...   May 9 2007, 04:43
- - pepoluan   This thread is rapidly converging with another thr...   May 19 2007, 06:36
- - hybridfan   "Ogg is still a long way behind other formats...   Jul 11 2007, 11:57


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