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Tomb
post Apr 19 2007, 18:18
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I, like many, use the ogg vorbis encoder. This article in today's Guardian (UK) may be of interest. In summary the writer states that ogg is a music file format without support or hope. Any thoughts?
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Remedial Sound
post Apr 19 2007, 19:20
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I also don't agree with the quote (millions of users of atrac & real? yeahright.gif ), but I don't agree that vorbis is on its way up either.

MP3 is going to be around for a long while thanks to its foothold, and there probably will be a gradual increase in the prevalence of AAC & AAC-compatable players with the advent of non-DRM iTunes.

Where does this leave vorbis? What exactly does vorbis have going for it that'll increase its popularity/usage? That it's free and open source? The general public is oblivious to this, as MP3 and AAC are effectively "free" to the end user anyway. The aoTuv builds perform great, particularly at lower bitrates, but nobody outside of HA knows/cares how well it did in a 128kbps listening test.

I'm not bashing vorbis, in fact I quite like it. It just looks to me like it'll eventually go the way of musepack.

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post Apr 19 2007, 19:44
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QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Apr 19 2007, 12:20) *
Where does this leave vorbis? What exactly does vorbis have going for it that'll increase its popularity/usage? That it's free and open source?


What you mean that the software that uses the format is open source?

So is LAME, for example:

http://lame.sourceforge.net/license.txt

Not that it makes much difference to anyone who doesn't want to modify the code, or doesn't like to compile from source for whatever reason, anyway. But insofar as anyone would want that some software using MP3 is distributed under open source licences, too.
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post Apr 19 2007, 20:32
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QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 19 2007, 14:44) *
QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Apr 19 2007, 12:20) *

Where does this leave vorbis? What exactly does vorbis have going for it that'll increase its popularity/usage? That it's free and open source?


What you mean that the software that uses the format is open source?

So is LAME, for example:

http://lame.sourceforge.net/license.txt

Not that it makes much difference to anyone who doesn't want to modify the code, or doesn't like to compile from source for whatever reason, anyway. But insofar as anyone would want that some software using MP3 is distributed under open source licences, too.
The wide popularity of LAME-encoded files is due more to the fact that it's practically the official audio encoder for scene releases than because the majority of users employ it for their personal rips. Were it not for the scene, I daresay LAME itself (not the MP3 format, assuming the scene just used a different MP3 encoder) would be in practically the same position as OGG.

QUOTE (ChesterB @ Apr 19 2007, 15:27) *
Once again: Musepack is NOT dead!
Compare MPC's current status (support, popularity, usage, development, etc.) with that of OGG. I think you'd be hard pressed to say it's better overall (or more precisely but less tactfully, not worse). Technically speaking, any open source format is never fully dead, since anyone can jump on it at any time. But for all intents and purposes relative to the Big 3 and even OGG...

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- Tomb   Ogg Vorbis in The Guardian (UK)   Apr 19 2007, 18:18
- - naylor83   QUOTE (Tomb @ Apr 19 2007, 19:18) Any tho...   Apr 19 2007, 18:22
- - Remedial Sound   I also don't agree with the quote (millions of...   Apr 19 2007, 19:20
|- - Nick E   QUOTE (Remedial Sound @ Apr 19 2007, 12:2...   Apr 19 2007, 19:44
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Nick E @ Apr 19 2007, 14:44) QUOTE...   Apr 19 2007, 20:32
|- - naylor83   Well, I guess, for me all that matters is that the...   Apr 19 2007, 22:16
- - LANjackal   QUOTE If you look at the Top Ten Reviews list of p...   Apr 19 2007, 19:34
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 19 2007, 15:34) Tr...   Apr 19 2007, 22:58
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 19 2007, 16:58) QUO...   Apr 20 2007, 01:21
||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jcoalson @ Apr 19 2007, 21:21) QUO...   Apr 23 2007, 11:54
||- - LANjackal   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 23 2007, 06:54) Yea...   Apr 23 2007, 13:10
|||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 23 2007, 09:10) If...   Apr 25 2007, 15:39
||||- - Julien   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 25 2007, 16:39) I d...   Apr 25 2007, 17:53
||||- - LANjackal   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 25 2007, 10:39) QUO...   Apr 25 2007, 18:36
||||- - rjamorim   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 25 2007, 14:36) Th...   Apr 26 2007, 04:43
|||- - sonytp50   QUOTE (Rio @ Apr 23 2007, 07:05) We just ...   May 8 2007, 15:54
||- - jcoalson   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 23 2007, 05:54) QUO...   May 8 2007, 22:47
|- - aabxx   QUOTE Besides, it's not that perfect for PC pl...   May 16 2007, 01:44
- - ChesterB   Sorry for the off-topic, but why do you guys talk ...   Apr 19 2007, 20:27
- - gameplaya15143   QUOTE (Tomb @ Apr 19 2007, 13:18) ogg is ...   Apr 19 2007, 22:15
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Apr 19 2007, 17:1...   Apr 19 2007, 22:51
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Apr 19 2007, 18:1...   Apr 20 2007, 00:02
|- - Squeller   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 19 2007, 15:02) In ...   Apr 22 2007, 11:58
- - Silversight   QUOTE An industry giant could drive support for Og...   Apr 20 2007, 00:12
|- - Maurits   QUOTE (Silversight @ Apr 19 2007, 23:12) ...   Apr 20 2007, 01:31
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Maurits @ Apr 19 2007, 20:31) Ther...   Apr 20 2007, 03:17
- - PatchWorKs   QUOTE (Silversight @ Apr 20 2007, 01:12) ...   Apr 20 2007, 10:32
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Apr 20 2007, 06:32) S...   Apr 20 2007, 10:55
|- - niktheblak   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Apr 20 2007, 12:55) Cou...   Apr 20 2007, 11:46
- - damaki   QUOTE (Squeller @ Apr 22 2007, 11:58) The...   Apr 22 2007, 12:52
- - maikmerten   Well, actually I think such DAP centric discussion...   Apr 22 2007, 14:38
- - Rio   Vorbis has just added one follower, and that's...   Apr 23 2007, 12:05
- - sketchy_c   My few personal ~128 kbps ABC/HR tests have given ...   Apr 23 2007, 13:14
- - naylor83   I have only converted one person into a Vorbis use...   Apr 26 2007, 22:40
- - gameplaya15143   QUOTE (maikmerten @ Apr 22 2007, 09:38) T...   Apr 26 2007, 23:07
- - turke   A question. Does it really worth to rip as ogg vor...   Apr 27 2007, 00:36
|- - Mr Bungle   QUOTE (turke @ Apr 27 2007, 09:36) A ques...   Apr 27 2007, 02:45
- - Nikaki   I don't need Vorbis to have "a promising ...   Apr 27 2007, 04:06
- - vlada   gameplaya15143 The latest information I heard is t...   Apr 27 2007, 08:04
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 03:04) turke ...   Apr 27 2007, 08:40
|- - Kirby54925   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 00:04) gamepl...   Apr 29 2007, 10:41
- - vlada   Sure, I forgot to mention I mean SW players. And f...   Apr 27 2007, 12:17
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 07:17) And fo...   Apr 27 2007, 12:33
||- - vlada   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 27 2007, 13:33) Ye...   Apr 29 2007, 09:50
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 29 2007, 09:50) I woul...   Apr 30 2007, 09:52
||- - [JAZ]   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Apr 30 2007, 09:52) QU...   Apr 30 2007, 11:04
|- - eofor   QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 27 2007, 12:17) Ogg Vo...   Apr 27 2007, 14:00
|- - maikmerten   QUOTE (eofor @ Apr 27 2007, 13:00) ogg is...   Apr 30 2007, 12:23
- - Mercurio   As someone said, Ogg Vorbis is the standard for th...   Apr 28 2007, 12:08
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (Mercurio @ Apr 28 2007, 07:08) Whe...   Apr 28 2007, 17:20
|- - aabxx   QUOTE (Mercurio @ Apr 28 2007, 03:08) And...   Jun 1 2007, 21:53
- - Hollunder   QUOTE (LANjackal @ Apr 27 2007, 13:33) QU...   Apr 28 2007, 12:55
- - Nikaki   Win/OSX do not want Vorbis to exist. Seems like th...   Apr 28 2007, 15:48
- - LANjackal   @2Bdecided: +1 to what you said. It's a common...   Apr 30 2007, 10:19
- - vlada   2Bdecided Well, yes you're partially ri...   Apr 30 2007, 16:48
- - Squeller   I have a strong reason rather to encode to nero aa...   May 7 2007, 13:49
- - Mercurio   On osnews there is a "Review: The OGG-Compati...   May 7 2007, 14:31
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 7 2007, 10:31) I th...   May 7 2007, 17:17
|- - Mercurio   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 7 2007, 08:17) Don...   May 8 2007, 11:58
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Mercurio @ May 8 2007, 07:58) (but...   May 8 2007, 15:45
|- - Mercurio   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 8 2007, 06:45) Yes....   May 8 2007, 16:32
|- - sonytp50   QUOTE The programmer of mp3splt is working to a gu...   May 8 2007, 16:59
- - Maurits   Well, if for your definition of "high quality...   May 8 2007, 12:20
- - Mercurio   Here at Hydrogenaudio there are a lot of sophists ...   May 8 2007, 15:06
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (sonytp50 @ May 8 2007, 11:54) In m...   May 9 2007, 00:21
|- - sonytp50   QUOTE (rjamorim @ May 8 2007, 23:21) Fine...   May 9 2007, 08:09
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (sonytp50 @ May 9 2007, 14:09) QUOT...   May 16 2007, 08:49
- - jcoalson   but there's no need to wait, the ALAC decoder ...   May 9 2007, 04:43
- - pepoluan   This thread is rapidly converging with another thr...   May 19 2007, 06:36
- - hybridfan   "Ogg is still a long way behind other formats...   Jul 11 2007, 11:57


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