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post Feb 3 2007, 22:02
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I'm a noob with this technical sort of stuff, but I was wondering if the audio processing stuff included in Vista is better or worse than what we had with XP.

Ok, since I am a noob, this is what I have gathered about XP's audio processing--- the k mixer is bad, and it has a degrading effect on the sound unless you decided to take steps to entirely bypass the k mixer. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

So I'm wondering, are there any improvements over XP's k mixer with what comes standard with Vista?
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post Feb 4 2007, 05:44
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So are you saying that the audio quality that comes standard for XP is superior to what comes standard for Vista?


The thing that concerns me about difference between XP and Vista is that Vista seems more DRM prone, which doesn't come as a surprise (that's another topic though and I am not trying to sidetrack the discussion). Does it really matter though honestly? I mean if you have Foobar2000 with kernel streaming you should be all set right? Just my two cents wink.gif

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post Feb 4 2007, 19:23
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QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Feb 3 2007, 21:44) *
The thing that concerns me about difference between XP and Vista is that Vista seems more DRM prone, which doesn't come as a surprise (that's another topic though and I am not trying to sidetrack the discussion).


Well, sidetracking successful. What the hell does "DRM prone" mean?? The amount of uninformed bitching about DRM is really getting to me. Vista lets you do everything XP did, plus a bunch of things hollywood wants restricted, that XP simply can't do at all. (HD-DVD playback for instance). Microsoft isn't "out to get us" with DRM... they build the infrastructure needed to allow us to watch DRM'd stuff, period.

Show me something that worked under XP but doesn't in Vista due to DRM, and i'll take it back.
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post Feb 4 2007, 19:48
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Vista lets you do everything XP did, plus a bunch of things hollywood wants restricted, that XP simply can't do at all. (HD-DVD playback for instance).

XP can play HD-DVDs. In fact, even Linux can play HD-DVDs.

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they build the infrastructure needed to allow us to watch DRM'd stuff, period.

Exactly. Just like they allowed us to use the Internet Explorer or the Media Player - how generous! Except it's all a big load of BS, because putting DRM into the core of the system is a technical absurdity, very much like the implementation of the Internet Explorer is.

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Show me something that worked under XP but doesn't in Vista due to DRM, and i'll take it back.

Unsigned drivers load in XP x64, but driver signing and therefore a DRM implementation is mandatory in the 64 bit version of Vista.


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- audiophilosophy   Windows XP k mixer vs. whatever is in Vista   Feb 3 2007, 22:02
- - Martin H   I don't know what changes Vista includes with ...   Feb 3 2007, 22:53
- - crni   Maybe you can explain something to me... I have M-...   Feb 3 2007, 23:25
- - Tripwire   Vista uses a floating point pipeline in their audi...   Feb 3 2007, 23:36
- - AndyH-ha   QUOTE so obviously kmixer changes digital stream i...   Feb 4 2007, 01:27
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Feb 4 2007, 01:27)...   Feb 4 2007, 01:46
|- - audiophilosophy   QUOTE (Dogbert @ Feb 3 2007, 18:46) QUOTE...   Feb 4 2007, 01:50
|- - crni   QUOTE (Dogbert @ Feb 3 2007, 16:46) Contr...   Feb 4 2007, 10:07
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (crni @ Feb 4 2007, 10:07) ONLY way...   Feb 4 2007, 11:07
|- - Martin H   For anyone interessted in this bit-mangling issue ...   Feb 4 2007, 11:52
|- - audiophilosophy   QUOTE But like I said, it is impossible (or I have...   Feb 4 2007, 17:07
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (audiophilosophy @ Feb 4 2007, 17:0...   Feb 4 2007, 17:28
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE So are you saying that the audio quality tha...   Feb 4 2007, 05:44
|- - audiophilosophy   QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Feb 3 2007, 22:44) QUO...   Feb 4 2007, 16:43
|- - Jebus   QUOTE (HotshotGG @ Feb 3 2007, 21:44) The...   Feb 4 2007, 19:23
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (Jebus @ Feb 4 2007, 19:23) Vista l...   Feb 4 2007, 19:48
- - sld   Foobar2000 with KS works in Vista. I was using an...   Feb 4 2007, 07:09
- - mugen   How do I get KS working in Vista? With a Realtek ...   Feb 4 2007, 09:08
|- - sld   QUOTE (mugen @ Feb 4 2007, 16:08) How do ...   Feb 5 2007, 19:36
- - Dogbert   The kernel mixer of the 64 bit version of Windows ...   Feb 4 2007, 18:29
- - Borisz   I can use Kernel Streaming in Vista, using a Sound...   Feb 4 2007, 18:52
- - TREX6662k6   Actually you are able to disable driver signing by...   Feb 4 2007, 19:52
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (TREX6662k6 @ Feb 4 2007, 19:52) Ac...   Feb 4 2007, 19:56
- - TREX6662k6   I agree with A) but B) there is a command you can ...   Feb 4 2007, 20:04
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE Well, sidetracking successful. What the hell...   Feb 4 2007, 20:22
- - Firon   Jebus: HD DVD works just fine on XP. So does Blu-R...   Feb 4 2007, 20:27
|- - Jebus   QUOTE (Firon @ Feb 4 2007, 12:27) Jebus: ...   Feb 4 2007, 20:40
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Jebus @ Feb 4 2007, 16:40) And no,...   Feb 5 2007, 01:39
|- - chelgrian   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 5 2007, 01:39) I se...   Feb 5 2007, 21:02
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (chelgrian @ Feb 5 2007, 17:02) QUO...   Feb 6 2007, 01:39
- - bidz   The DRM system in Vista is only active if you play...   Feb 4 2007, 20:40
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (bidz @ Feb 4 2007, 20:40) The DRM ...   Feb 4 2007, 20:47
||- - bidz   QUOTE (Dogbert @ Feb 4 2007, 11:47) In Wi...   Feb 4 2007, 20:56
||- - Dogbert   QUOTE (bidz @ Feb 4 2007, 20:56) That...   Feb 4 2007, 21:48
||- - jeffster   QUOTE (bidz @ Feb 5 2007, 07:56) The DRM ...   Feb 5 2007, 15:43
|- - spockep   QUOTE (bidz @ Feb 4 2007, 15:40) The DRM ...   Feb 5 2007, 18:28
- - CSMR   QUOTE (spockep @ Feb 5 2007, 09:28) Thats...   Feb 5 2007, 20:38
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (CSMR @ Feb 5 2007, 20:38) No. Wind...   Feb 5 2007, 20:48
- - JunkieXL   QUOTE (jeffster @ Feb 5 2007, 07:43) Kind...   Feb 5 2007, 21:05
- - Martin H   Hi Dogbert Are you saying that the person who wr...   Feb 5 2007, 22:48
- - CSMR   QUOTE (Dogbert @ Feb 5 2007, 11:48) Ahh, ...   Feb 5 2007, 22:52
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (CSMR @ Feb 5 2007, 22:52) So what ...   Feb 5 2007, 23:08
- - CSMR   Yes and when they are mixed together, is the volum...   Feb 5 2007, 23:21
|- - Dogbert   QUOTE (CSMR @ Feb 5 2007, 23:21) Yes and ...   Feb 5 2007, 23:50
- - tgoose   Is it really illegal to watch DVDs using OSS? I wa...   Feb 7 2007, 00:25


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