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2007 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 501 ] ** [54.22%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 211 ] ** [22.84%]
AAC [ 118 ] ** [12.77%]
MPC [ 41 ] ** [4.44%]
WMA Standard [ 5 ] ** [0.54%]
WMA Pro [ 3 ] ** [0.32%]
Atrac (any version) [ 4 ] ** [0.43%]
Other / I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 41 ] ** [4.44%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 549 ] ** [59.42%]
WavPack [ 203 ] ** [21.97%]
Monkey's Audio [ 43 ] ** [4.65%]
Apple Lossless [ 25 ] ** [2.71%]
OptimFrog [ 2 ] ** [0.22%]
WMA Lossless [ 13 ] ** [1.41%]
TAK [ 7 ] ** [0.76%]
Other / I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 82 ] ** [8.87%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main or archive library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 691 ] ** [74.78%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 138 ] ** [14.94%]
it depends: I mix both [ 95 ] ** [10.28%]
Total Votes: 1025
  
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post Jan 2 2007, 00:30
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With the agreement of Synthetic Soul, I started a new bunch of polls. As explained in a private message, I'd like to see a more rationalized usage of polls, with a fixed duration. Polls are interesting to see how what tools they're using at home. But a succession of identical polls could also teach us how people are changing with time. It could interest people fond of statistics but it could also give to developers (especially lossless' ones) good information about the popularity of their product.

This poll merge the two most popular questions into one single topic. Please answer to all questions when it's possible. Even if you rarely use a lossy or a lossless format, tell us which one you prefer to perform this rare task.

N.B. As said, the opening period should now be fixed but the duration haven't been set. It could be one new poll per year, or two polls/year, or one each quarter.


link to previous polls (2006):
your lossy codec of choice in 2006
your lossless codec of choice in 2006


N.B. I deliberately ignore some possible answers (like mp3pro, vqf, LA, TTA) based on results obtained in the last poll. I already add TAK lossless encoder even if it's not available for the public. Future voters could therefore give their voice to this promising encoder. The formats are sorted by popularity (results of last polls).

P.S. This thread's right place belongs to the "poll" forum but I don't own the right to directly create it at the right place.

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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 1 2007, 23:30) *
With the agreement of Synthetic Soul, I started a new bunch of polls.
This started with a discussion in the 2006 lossless poll. guruboolez and I agree that a fixed term poll, preferably with a short duration (3 or 6 months in my opinion), will provide a more accurate representation of users' preferences.

The current TAK situation is a good example: If the majority of voters vote before TAK is released, and then many start using it, if the poll is left open for a year or more (2005's was open for twenty months) the poll will not accurately reflect usage for 2007. If two or four polls are taken in that time the migration is well documented.

The idea to join the two is a good one; I think the number of votes already reflects that. I agree with one poster that perhaps "I don't use any" should be a separate option so all such votes to that question can be "discounted". I could add the option now if you want guruboolez, but it should probably wait until the next one, considering the number of votes already.

I told guruboolez that I would be interested in the image vs tracks question, but I'm afraid that the votes are being polluted by users that only rip to lossy. I mean, 99% of people use tracks for listening, we're more interested in your archive/lossless version. Maybe only people who use lossless should answer the question, and an option added for a null vote?

For my part I use LAME -V5 --vbr-new for general playing (car stereo, Nano Plus, PC) and WavPack image with cuesheet for my archive. I use EAC with REACT to rip, and foobar2000 to play and manage my files.

Good work guruboolez, and kudos for geting this so close to the start of the year!


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post Jan 2 2007, 12:35
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QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 2 2007, 09:09) *
I agree with one poster that perhaps "I don't use any" should be a separate option so all such votes to that question can be "discounted". I could add the option now if you want guruboolez, but it should probably wait until the next one, considering the number of votes already.

As you wish. I guess that will reset the poll but revoting shouldn't be too hard wink.gif
I already had the possibility to split the last aswer (10 answers are allowed) but I hesitated and finally merged both into a single one. I originally tried to avoid or limit 'ghost' answers - you know, all answers that only end with 1 or 2‰ of voters and which can't therefore be considered as totally useless. My choice seems to be valid but only for the lossy part; for lossless it seems that an important part of voters don't use lossless - hence the 10% after 160 votes. The poll is only 12 hours old; voting a second time is just a matter of few seconds so I guess it shouldn't be annoying for most people to vote again. Editing the title (provisionally) could be worth :
2007 ripping/encoding poll [UPDATED 02/01/07: VOTE AGAIN] or something like that.

What do you think?

And if you see something else to change (poor wording, etc...) especially on the thirs poll: don't hesitate.

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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 2 2007, 12:35) *
2007 ripping/encoding poll [UPDATED 02/01/07: VOTE AGAIN] or something like that.

What do you think?


I don't mind voting again, and I'd be very interested to see how many people, like me, migrated from EAC to DbPowerAmp's CD Ripper.
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QUOTE (MedO @ Jan 2 2007, 08:13) *
I don't mind voting again, and I'd be very interested to see how many people, like me, migrated from EAC to DbPowerAmp's CD Ripper.


It seems a little unfair to gauge the move at this point in time considering the release is so close. I'm personally waiting for the release R12 to purchase it and, even then, may only use it on tough discs, due to lack of Image Rip.

Until then, I am sticking with EAC.

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QUOTE (bhoar @ Jan 2 2007, 13:31) *
QUOTE (MedO @ Jan 2 2007, 08:13) *
I don't mind voting again, and I'd be very interested to see how many people, like me, migrated from EAC to DbPowerAmp's CD Ripper.


It seems a little unfair to gauge the move at this point in time considering the release is so close.

I agree, we should wait until the final release. People are at this moment using free versions for testing. If they're crippled (no more accuraterip db access) when it goes final or the cost is too much people may well switch back to EAC.

MP3 and Wavpack for me.


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- guruboolez   2007 ripping/encoding general poll   Jan 2 2007, 00:30
- - Soap   Ripping program of choice would also be an interes...   Jan 2 2007, 00:41
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Soap @ Jan 2 2007, 00:41) Ripping ...   Jan 2 2007, 00:55
- - memomai   QUOTE Ripping program of choice would also be an i...   Jan 2 2007, 00:47
- - Sebastian Mares   For use with my iPod Nano 2G and my Sony Ericsson ...   Jan 2 2007, 00:48
- - Diow   For general use [bitrate between ~128, ~300 kbps] ...   Jan 2 2007, 00:53
- - Diow   For general use [bitrate between ~128, ~300 kbps] ...   Jan 2 2007, 00:59
- - Teknojnky   I'd move to (embedded) cue + flac image if mor...   Jan 2 2007, 01:48
- - rjamorim   Go MP3!!!! Go WavPack!!...   Jan 2 2007, 01:50
|- - Andavari   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 1 2007, 18:50) Go M...   Jan 2 2007, 03:09
- - /mnt   Lossey format: MP3 (LAME 3.97 VBR V2) LAME Mp3 c...   Jan 2 2007, 02:08
- - Fandango   MP3/WV/IMG+CUE I don't think my preferences w...   Jan 2 2007, 02:15
- - Acid8000   Lossy = MP3 No lossless, although I'm thinking...   Jan 2 2007, 02:28
- - Remedial Sound   MP3. Universal compatability. Transparency for me...   Jan 2 2007, 02:51
- - Gnerma   LAME 3.97 -V 2 --vbr-new seperate tracks for my Sa...   Jan 2 2007, 02:52
- - Borisz   LAME 3.97 -V0 --vbr-new, using EAC to rip from CDs...   Jan 2 2007, 02:57
- - goldenratiophi   Max (cdparanoia mode instead of comparison w/ C2 b...   Jan 2 2007, 03:39
- - Khaine   Currently I use Lame to encode my music as AAC is ...   Jan 2 2007, 03:51
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (Khaine @ Jan 1 2007, 21:51) And if...   Jan 2 2007, 17:17
- - Firon   Vorbis q-2 (it's transparent to me, especially...   Jan 2 2007, 04:06
- - dbAmp   I rip everything as WavPack Images for backup purp...   Jan 2 2007, 04:21
- - Cpt. Spandrel   WV, MP3, mixed - cue for WV archive/PC playback, s...   Jan 2 2007, 04:36
- - skelly831   LAME -V5 for portable/car, FLAC and/or WV image+cu...   Jan 2 2007, 06:08
- - jorsol   Ogg Vorbis for lossy, FLAC for lossless. I rip in...   Jan 2 2007, 06:46
- - herefornow   mp3 -v5 --vbr-new for my traveling player. musepak...   Jan 2 2007, 06:55
- - hellokeith   My Muvo likes WMA Standard, and with two-pass VBR ...   Jan 2 2007, 06:58
- - Jebus   Right now I have FLAC backups of all my discs, and...   Jan 2 2007, 08:47
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 1 2007, 23:30) Wi...   Jan 2 2007, 09:09
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 2 2007, 09:09...   Jan 2 2007, 12:35
|- - MedO   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 2 2007, 12:35) 20...   Jan 2 2007, 14:13
||- - bhoar   QUOTE (MedO @ Jan 2 2007, 08:13) I don...   Jan 2 2007, 14:31
||- - evereux   QUOTE (bhoar @ Jan 2 2007, 13:31) QUOTE (...   Jan 2 2007, 18:48
|- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 2 2007, 11:35) QU...   Jan 2 2007, 15:11
- - Zurman   Lossy: MP3 (lame 128kbps CBR) because of its soft ...   Jan 2 2007, 10:15
- - french dok   - AAC because my phone-DAP handles it : the ...   Jan 2 2007, 10:36
- - Kirby54925   Lossy: MP3 -V 2 --vbr-new for my laptop, -V 5 --v...   Jan 2 2007, 10:41
- - matthias1985   I use lame -V5 for portable use with my ipod nano ...   Jan 2 2007, 10:45
- - LANjackal   I think my signature pretty much says it all when ...   Jan 2 2007, 11:30
- - psycho   MP3 - because of hardware compatibility and becaus...   Jan 2 2007, 13:24
- - sketchy_c   lossy: MP3 (rip with EAC into LAME -V2 --vbr-new) ...   Jan 2 2007, 14:12
- - Squeller   mp3 and wavpack. But if I can afford, nero aac for...   Jan 2 2007, 16:49
- - smack   lossy=MPC, lossless=LA I have been using this comb...   Jan 2 2007, 21:25
- - Canar   Lossy: AAC. Only for my podcast. Lossless: WavPack...   Jan 2 2007, 22:50
- - chrisgeleven   I have decided to start working on having a lossle...   Jan 2 2007, 23:00
- - leokennis   LAME MP3 V0...MP3 because it's universal, and ...   Jan 3 2007, 00:04
- - 56Nomad   I'm primarily an MP3 guy with a few APE and FL...   Jan 3 2007, 00:12
|- - Jebus   QUOTE (56Nomad @ Jan 2 2007, 16:12) I hav...   Jan 4 2007, 00:57
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Jebus @ Jan 3 2007, 20:57) QUOTE (...   Jan 4 2007, 03:32
|- - greynol   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jan 3 2007, 18:32) When...   Jan 4 2007, 07:22
- - drbeachboy   I use EAC-REACT to rip to: Lossless=FLAC -5 and Lo...   Jan 3 2007, 02:48
- - audiomars   My choices: Lossy format: MP3 Lossless format: Wa...   Jan 3 2007, 07:53
- - Kirby54925   Hmmm... based on the results, it looks like the pe...   Jan 3 2007, 09:48
- - Cpt. Spandrel   Another disambiguation suggestion: the "it de...   Jan 3 2007, 11:21
|- - pest   one more vote for monkey's   Jan 3 2007, 11:42
- - drbeachboy   QUOTE Now I feel torn as to whether I should rever...   Jan 3 2007, 16:05
- - Silversight   It's Ogg Vorbis at q5 (playback) and q-1 (stre...   Jan 3 2007, 17:10
|- - greynol   Some interesting figures from http://www.synthetic...   Jan 4 2007, 01:13
- - memomai   Bitrate 0-128 kbps: Nero AAC (for my iPod shuffle ...   Jan 3 2007, 21:51
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 17:51) If Wa...   Jan 3 2007, 22:06
- - memomai   QUOTE QUOTE(memomai @ Jan 3 2007, 17:51) If WavPa...   Jan 3 2007, 22:35
- - ezra2323   ALAC for archive. AAC 128 VBR for the computer lib...   Jan 4 2007, 01:16
- - Klaasklever   Well, I'd say ... MP3 forever, baby I'm ...   Jan 4 2007, 01:50
- - Martin H   WavPack images with embedded cuesheet and eac log ...   Jan 4 2007, 02:07
- - ranunculoid   FLAC for archival. I choose it for it's ubiqui...   Jan 4 2007, 02:31
- - Light-Fire   I use: MP3 for compatibility (almnost every devic...   Jan 4 2007, 04:56
- - probedb   LAME at -V 2 for me. It's all converted from F...   Jan 4 2007, 11:41
|- - jamesbaud   QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 4 2007, 03:41) LAME ...   Jan 5 2007, 01:47
- - memomai   QUOTE Right. When he said he wanted WavPack on iPo...   Jan 4 2007, 12:58
- - spoon   QUOTE (probedb @ Jan 4 2007, 10:41) LAME ...   Jan 4 2007, 14:22
- - blue57   EAC secure Lame 3.97 --V2 --vbr-new or Cue+wav co...   Jan 4 2007, 15:21
- - ...Just Elliott   MPC has 4% :0   Jan 5 2007, 11:06
- - evereux   Sign 'O' The Times.   Jan 5 2007, 11:40
- - ...Just Elliott   well... there is the sv8 work...   Jan 5 2007, 19:03
- - Canar   If I was going to use a lossy format for personal ...   Jan 5 2007, 20:03
- - vinnie97   Go Vorbis! Potentially the best quality you c...   Jan 5 2007, 20:49
- - Lych   For lossy, iTunes AAC 192kbps VBR. For lossless, ...   Jan 6 2007, 09:34
|- - user   Archival & Listening: Flac_1.1.3_made_by_Case...   Jan 6 2007, 14:15
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (user @ Jan 6 2007, 14:15) As a pol...   Jan 6 2007, 14:37
- - guruboolez   I gathered the results obtained during all last po...   Jan 6 2007, 15:56
- - boombaard   i suspect more and more people are just switching ...   Jan 6 2007, 16:21
- - le_canz   Vorbis & FLAC for me. Most of time I encode t...   Jan 6 2007, 17:05
- - Yen   Lossy: Mostly MP3 (for my portable media player), ...   Jan 6 2007, 17:52
- - pika2000   Lossy: MP3, compatible with anything. Lossless: no...   Jan 7 2007, 06:22
- - pepoluan   With GSPlayer on my iPaq 2210... Vorbis, of course...   Jan 8 2007, 09:33
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 6 2007, 14:56) I ...   Jan 8 2007, 12:00
|- - boombaard   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 8 2007, 13:00...   Jan 8 2007, 12:13
- - Junon   Vorbis (aoTuV+Lancer) is my main lossy format beca...   Jan 8 2007, 13:07
- - gameplaya15143   Vorbis for lossy I only picked flac for lossle...   Jan 9 2007, 03:15
- - SamHain86   My favorite format of all time is APE, set to extr...   Jan 10 2007, 00:21
- - Artemis3   I like Ogg Vorbis for lossy (pc listening), lame -...   Jan 10 2007, 11:39
- - Synthetic Soul   I have been marvelling at the number of votes achi...   Jan 10 2007, 12:43
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||- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (beto @ Jan 10 2007, 13:34) I am no...   Jan 10 2007, 16:11
||- - beto   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 10 2007, 12:1...   Jan 10 2007, 18:06
|- - jcoalson   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 10 2007, 06:4...   Jan 10 2007, 18:08
- - fabio   Hello, For lossy: MP3 For lossless: WavPack Rippi...   Jan 10 2007, 15:22
- - pepoluan   QUOTE (boombaard @ Jan 8 2007, 18:13) i s...   Jan 10 2007, 18:03
- - Synthetic Soul   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Jan 10 2007, 17:03) If ...   Jan 10 2007, 18:37
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (Synthetic Soul @ Jan 11 2007, 00:3...   Jan 10 2007, 19:13
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