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Event ALP5 Monitors - Anyone has auditioned these?
Kenai
post Dec 31 2006, 03:47
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Hello:

Hearing some decent comments about the Event Alp5's:

http://www.event1.com/index/index.php?page...p5&pg=specs

They're priced comparable to Wharfedale 8.2's.

Only place I found any sort of review online:

http://www.rmcforum.com/forum/index.php?PH...&topic=36.0

Anyone happed to have auditioned these?

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Kenai
post Feb 1 2007, 07:34
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QUOTE (Kenai @ Dec 30 2006, 19:47) *
Hello:

Hearing some decent comments about the Event Alp5's:

http://www.event1.com/index/index.php?page...p5&pg=specs

They're priced comparable to Wharfedale 8.2's.

Only place I found any sort of review online:

http://www.rmcforum.com/forum/index.php?PH...&topic=36.0

Anyone happed to have auditioned these?


Okay, I went ahead an ordered up a pair of Event ALP5's. For anyone interested, here are my initial impressions after a day of auditioning classical and trance:

1) Tight bass, what's there. Nice definition. Compared to, for example, Rockit 6's - I like these better. Rockit's are bigger on the bottom end but also muddy by comparison. Would be wonderful if freq. response extended down a bit lower but for under $300 pair of studio monitors I am pleased. Event has subsequently come out w/a subwoofer that would probably compliment these nicely for folks into hip-hop, drum & bass, etc. For classical I don't notice them lacking on the bottom end.

2) Flat. Revealing. But not too much such that they easily become fatiguing. Fairly decent stereo imaging.

3) Fit & finish could be a bit better. Front faceplate is a bit larger than speaker enclosure so there's a bit of an edge where they meet. But, once again, for under $300/pr., I cannot complain.

The jury is still out but initial imperssions are favorable. They do not compare to higher end near-mid field active monitors but all in all, I think these puppies offer pretty damn good bang for the buck.

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post Feb 1 2007, 12:51
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you may be on a wrong forum, check #8 here:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....74&hl=rules


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post Feb 1 2007, 13:17
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He is not claiming that these speakers are better than some other speakers. He just sais that he likes them. I don't think that this violates #8. And I don't think that ABX or similar testing of speakers is easily achievable.
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post Feb 1 2007, 13:40
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muaddib, i didnt say i know how to do it properly, but the thing writen is definately useless..., do we agree on that or...?


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post Feb 1 2007, 14:55
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We now know that Kenai prefers Event Alp5, so it is not totaly useless wink.gif
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post Feb 1 2007, 17:00
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QUOTE (muaddib @ Feb 1 2007, 14:55) *
We now know that Kenai prefers Event Alp5, so it is not totaly useless wink.gif
If you replace "Kenai" by "famous award winning engineer" Bob Ludwig, George Massenburg or whatever celebrity, you get pretty much how marketing in the pro-audio world works. The problem is that it's very hard to judge the quality of transducers (loudspeakers, microphones, etc.) by simply looking at the technical specs.
The funny thing is that when enough ppl agree about the subjective quality, you might be able to create something like a standard or reference. Although the reasoning might be rather unscientific, the outcome (standards) can be very useful.
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post Feb 1 2007, 17:32
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I agree with Kees de Visser.
I often searched to find some "objective" comparisons of audio equipment, or to be precise - place where many people give some subjective grade so that you can use the average and decide what to buy. But it is impossible to find such place. All I could find is some isolated and probably very biased reviews.
Place where people could easily subjectively give grades to their equipment would be nice. I don't say that hydrogenaudio is the place for that rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 1 2007, 17:50
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QUOTE (smok3 @ Feb 1 2007, 05:40) *
muaddib, i didnt say i know how to do it properly, but the thing writen is definately useless..., do we agree on that or...?


I'd heard positive reports about the Alp5's. Geographic constraints precluded me from auditioning them. Searching around the net didn't turn up much either, as Events are not a big name brand with huge market/mind share, and I was unable to find any good reviews freely available online. Hence the reason I started this thread in the first place. Conversely, Rockits are very well known and can be found pretty much everywhere. I do not own them, however, so I am unable to properly A/B them.

I used phrases such as "initial impressions" and "for example" because that's what they are, offered for whatever help they may be to anyone interested in monitors in this price range considering Alp5's. I'm sorry you find that so offensive. If it will give you a feeling of power and self importance, feel free to have an administrator terminate my account because, believe me, I many other things I can do with my time.
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post Feb 2 2007, 10:52
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You last post, Kenai, is the reason why I supported you in the first place.
I don't think that you violated #8.
Your opinion does not represent scientific fact, but you don't even claim that it is scientific nor objective fact that Alp5 are better than Rockits. And yet your opinion about Alp5 might be useful for somebody that is searching to buy monitors. I don't see any better help, since as you say objective comparison can not be found on internet.
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post Feb 2 2007, 20:58
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QUOTE (muaddib @ Feb 2 2007, 02:52) *
You last post, Kenai, is the reason why I supported you in the first place.
I don't think that you violated #8.
Your opinion does not represent scientific fact, but you don't even claim that it is scientific nor objective fact that Alp5 are better than Rockits. And yet your opinion about Alp5 might be useful for somebody that is searching to buy monitors. I don't see any better help, since as you say objective comparison can not be found on internet.


Thank you for the support. Much appreciated smile.gif
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post Feb 3 2007, 17:04
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QUOTE (Kenai @ Dec 30 2006, 21:47) *
Hello:

Hearing some decent comments about the Event Alp5's:

http://www.event1.com/index/index.php?page...p5&pg=specs

They're priced comparable to Wharfedale 8.2's.

Only place I found any sort of review online:

http://www.rmcforum.com/forum/index.php?PH...&topic=36.0

Anyone happed to have auditioned these?


One of my friend's has the Event monitor with the 8" woofer. If the one you linked is anything like that, I speculate that it needs to be opened, have about 1/3" of mass loaded damping material applied to all walls(to reduce panel resonance) and install an effective internal acoustic damping material such as at least 2" thick 6-8lb/ft^3 density fiberglass board or mineral board. The colored timber was the main distraction to me concerning the speaker, and it sounded to me like the typical resonances that can be fixed to a degree with my suggested simple modifications. And yes, I have put forth the effort to double-blind test(by recording the speaker at a fixed position before and after modification and then ABXing the recorded signals in ABX software) and limited single blind test (using test subjects, and a single modified vs. unmodified speaker side by side set about 10' from the listener) the results of these modifications on speakers in the past. As for my speculation that the speaker needs these treatments. It seems similar to mp3 ABXing: once you get used to the specific artifacts/coloration(s) produced when the bitrate or encoding mode is not correct on specific samples, and the effect is easier to recognize in the future, it seems that the same identification ability is also valid with resonance of the panel(s) and insufficient internal absorption material. Such produces specific recognizable(to someone familar with them) coloration(s).

-Chris

Note: I hear the same problem with most speakers. The Event unit I mentioned is not worse than others, overall. It seems to be a typical problem(based on production cost restraints?).

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post Feb 5 2007, 02:00
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QUOTE (WmAx @ Feb 3 2007, 09:04) *
QUOTE (Kenai @ Dec 30 2006, 21:47) *

Hello:

Hearing some decent comments about the Event Alp5's:

http://www.event1.com/index/index.php?page...p5&pg=specs

They're priced comparable to Wharfedale 8.2's.

Only place I found any sort of review online:

http://www.rmcforum.com/forum/index.php?PH...&topic=36.0

Anyone happed to have auditioned these?


One of my friend's has the Event monitor with the 8" woofer. If the one you linked is anything like that, I speculate that it needs to be opened, have about 1/3" of mass loaded damping material applied to all walls(to reduce panel resonance) and install an effective internal acoustic damping material such as at least 2" thick 6-8lb/ft^3 density fiberglass board or mineral board. The colored timber was the main distraction to me concerning the speaker, and it sounded to me like the typical resonances that can be fixed to a degree with my suggested simple modifications. And yes, I have put forth the effort to double-blind test(by recording the speaker at a fixed position before and after modification and then ABXing the recorded signals in ABX software) and limited single blind test (using test subjects, and a single modified vs. unmodified speaker side by side set about 10' from the listener) the results of these modifications on speakers in the past. As for my speculation that the speaker needs these treatments. It seems similar to mp3 ABXing: once you get used to the specific artifacts/coloration(s) produced when the bitrate or encoding mode is not correct on specific samples, and the effect is easier to recognize in the future, it seems that the same identification ability is also valid with resonance of the panel(s) and insufficient internal absorption material. Such produces specific recognizable(to someone familar with them) coloration(s).

-Chris

Note: I hear the same problem with most speakers. The Event unit I mentioned is not worse than others, overall. It seems to be a typical problem(based on production cost restraints?).


Interesting. Thanks for your insights. Many monitors of various makes are reported to have a bit too much "sizzle" on the top end and hence fatiguing for extended listening. So you may well have something here.

These particular Events are the Alp 5's, w/only 5.25" "woofer". Low end of their line (at under $300 street) but reportedly utilizing some nice trickle down technology from their higher end Studio Precision line. Speaking of which, Event has two lines sporting 8" woofers, the "Tuned Reference" and their "Studio Precision". I would be curious to know which you conducted your tests with.

Also, one more thing - I note you used a distance of 10 feet. Isn't that a bit on the far side for near to mid field monitor? IIRC, near-mid field monitors are tuned for 4-6 foot range.

TIA--

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post Feb 7 2007, 03:51
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These particular Events are the Alp 5's, w/only 5.25" "woofer". Low end of their line (at under $300 street) but reportedly utilizing some nice trickle down technology from their higher end Studio Precision line. Speaking of which, Event has two lines sporting 8" woofers, the "Tuned Reference" and their "Studio Precision". I would be curious to know which you conducted your tests with.


I listened to the Event Studio Precision 8. I did not use the Event speaker for this test. I said that I speculated this was a problem with the Event speaker after learning the unique coloration(s) signature in controlled tests that I performed on speakers in the past, and listening to the Events later, but I did not subject the Events to the control test situation. I apologize if their was a miscommunication.
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Also, one more thing - I note you used a distance of 10 feet. Isn't that a bit on the far side for near to mid field monitor? IIRC, near-mid field monitors are tuned for 4-6 foot ran


I was trying to simulate the reverberant field as found in normal mid to far field listening distances. The audibility of resonances is increased in a more reverberant environment.

-Chris

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