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Ogg -q4 transparent to you?
Be Positive
post Dec 26 2006, 11:32
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Hi,

I just started transcoding my FLAC albums (I'll save them) to Ogg. I first tested q 5, q 6 and then q 4 and I can't tell any difference between them.

But I cant believe that 128kbit files are absolutely transparent? I know it's very subjective, but I wanted to ask you if it's also transparent to you or if you hear any artifacts?

Greets

Edit: I use AoTuV beta 5

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naylor83
post Jan 4 2008, 20:26
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Umm.... I'm definitely annoyed by artifacts. That's why I abxed and came to the conclusion that I can't hear artifacts using Ogg Vorbis Q4.


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Francksoy-Wizzu
post Jan 7 2008, 03:05
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Hello all. smile.gif

This whole topic is what finally made me register, after all these months spent in reading the Hydrogenaudio forums.

My initial, fast ABX'ing with pop music made me believe that Q1 was good enough for me for mobile purposes. 'Great', I though, 'I can can fit so much music in my 2GB Sansa this way'. Well, I was wrong. crying.gif

After I started being annoyed by artifacts mainly on vocal classical music, further and more careful ABX'ing and repeated listening taught me that my personal comfort zone starts at Q3 (112Kbps) and that Q4 is, like for many others, mostly transparent to my ears. Some very rare tracks are not 100% OK for me at this setting, but I don't care that much for mobile use.

But yes, I think that Q4 (128Kbps) is mostly transparent, and can probably be even 100% transparent to some less picky/fussy ears than mine. Sometimes I feel like hearing all these small details is a curse. headbang.gif
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post Jan 11 2010, 11:09
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QUOTE (Francksoy-Wizzu @ Jan 7 2008, 03:05) *
After I started being annoyed by artifacts mainly on vocal classical music ...


Hi,

It would be great if you could give (ex/s)amples where this is the case at "-q 1".

thnx,
Steven
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- Be Positive   Ogg -q4 transparent to you?   Dec 26 2006, 11:32
- - ImAlive   Yes, especially with aoTuV b5, it is transparent t...   Dec 26 2006, 11:53
|- - Aoyumi   QUOTE (ImAlive @ Dec 26 2006, 19:53) BTW:...   Dec 15 2007, 03:06
- - Firon   -q2 is transparent to me in casual listening. Mayb...   Dec 26 2006, 12:03
- - Mercurio   -q3 was too hard for me to abx, so I didn't tr...   Dec 26 2006, 13:13
- - Hanky   I use Ogg Vorbis aoTuV -q 3.5 (estimated 120 kbps)...   Dec 26 2006, 13:23
- - Be Positive   QUOTE (ImAlive @ Dec 26 2006, 11:53) BTW:...   Dec 26 2006, 13:38
|- - ImAlive   QUOTE (Be Positive @ Dec 26 2006, 13:38) ...   Dec 26 2006, 14:07
- - Pio2001   At q4, I can ABX some rare tracks. I failed all tr...   Dec 26 2006, 14:06
|- - Emon   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Dec 26 2006, 08:06) At q...   Jan 14 2007, 07:20
- - jorsol   When I start using vorbis, in 2002 (v1.0), I encod...   Dec 26 2006, 15:46
- - pepoluan   Tip from experience: Don't worry about transpa...   Dec 26 2006, 18:25
- - Junon   I recently encoded my complete CD collection to FL...   Dec 26 2006, 19:07
- - senab   I don't encode to a certain level, it depends ...   Dec 27 2006, 18:04
- - dariju   For me it is still hard to encode something lower ...   Dec 27 2006, 19:27
|- - Primius   Did you read about loseless stereo coupling at q6 ...   Dec 28 2006, 02:31
- - beto   -q2 is transparent to me in casual listening (home...   Dec 28 2006, 13:16
|- - MedO   I encode at -q6, because the second sample I ever ...   Dec 28 2006, 15:09
- - DARcode   I switched to HE-AAC for DAP/mobile listening, but...   Dec 28 2006, 16:31
- - vinnie97   -q1 is transparent enough to me.   Dec 28 2006, 19:43
- - Caroliano   Look at the results of the Public Multiformat List...   Dec 28 2006, 22:01
- - HE-Dave   It's good enough for me usually... when I...   Dec 29 2006, 01:22
- - hushypushy   I ABX'd tons of songs, and found that for the ...   Dec 29 2006, 08:28
- - TimSee   I ABX'd -q1, -q2 and -q4. I basically conclud...   Jan 4 2007, 05:37
- - goldenratiophi   I have just decided today to delete the q5's f...   Jan 5 2007, 00:31
- - michael.conner   QUOTE (Be Positive @ Dec 26 2006, 04:32) ...   Feb 8 2007, 04:53
- - TimSee   I'm -q1 all the way. I use FLAC for my home s...   Feb 8 2007, 05:18
- - Martin H   I use aoTuV-b5/Lancer encoded Vorbis track files a...   Feb 8 2007, 14:15
- - rudefyet   With aotuvb4 to b5, -q4 makes my music is transpar...   Feb 8 2007, 20:24
- - gameplaya15143   QUOTE (ImAlive @ Dec 26 2006, 05:53) BTW:...   Feb 9 2007, 01:31
- - Bourne   I did a pratical listening test to figure the supe...   Feb 10 2007, 04:03
- - shadowking   With OGG artifacts are just a bit different than m...   Feb 10 2007, 05:36
- - ChesterB   Offtopic Nice avatar shadowking Paradise Lost ar...   Feb 10 2007, 06:45
- - shadowking   Hehe.. Thanks , I want a PL tatoo !   Feb 10 2007, 09:21
- - Nikaki   I "ABX"ed with Winamp a while back. I cr...   Mar 7 2007, 10:59
- - HbG   I can ABX q2, but i'm fine with q1 for portabl...   Mar 7 2007, 13:20
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (HbG @ Mar 7 2007, 19:20) Anyway, t...   Mar 7 2007, 16:52
|- - rockcake   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Mar 8 2007, 01:52) The ...   Mar 8 2007, 03:07
||- - pepoluan   QUOTE (rockcake @ Mar 8 2007, 09:07) Of c...   Mar 8 2007, 09:39
|- - dyneq   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Mar 7 2007, 10:52) QUOT...   Mar 8 2007, 14:04
- - DreamTactix291   I haven't been able to ABX anything encoded wi...   Mar 8 2007, 22:53
- - Raptus   QUOTE Ogg -q4 transparent to you? Not always. I ma...   Mar 20 2007, 20:56
- - pepoluan   In finality, I guess the acceptability of -q4 depe...   Mar 20 2007, 22:29
- - Zarggg   I used to use -q6 before switching to MPC for a wh...   Mar 22 2007, 02:51
- - Silversight   With most music, -q4 is transparent to me, but for...   Mar 22 2007, 09:38
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (Silversight @ Mar 22 2007, 15:38) ...   Mar 22 2007, 17:58
|- - Raptus   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Mar 22 2007, 08:58) Tru...   Jan 4 2008, 18:02
|- - naylor83   QUOTE (Raptus @ Jan 4 2008, 18:02) I...   Jan 4 2008, 18:11
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (Raptus @ Jan 5 2008, 00:02) QUOTE ...   Jan 4 2008, 20:13
- - zima   Absolutelly transparent. Disclaimer: Totally agai...   Mar 22 2007, 12:32
|- - Kef   Yeah it's transparent to me. I could easily ab...   Mar 22 2007, 13:31
|- - micmac   QUOTE (Kef @ Mar 22 2007, 06:31) Yeah it...   May 15 2007, 08:57
- - penvzila   For my mp3 player & headphones, -q2 is suffici...   Apr 25 2007, 03:23
|- - naylor83   QUOTE (penvzila @ Apr 25 2007, 04:23) For...   Apr 26 2007, 22:41
- - aabxx   Considering quality 0 sounds very good to me, I wo...   Jun 2 2007, 15:26
|- - CioCio   -q2 drives me crazy trying to ABX, because pretty ...   Jun 28 2007, 05:38
- - pepoluan   CioCio: Just keep your collection as it is, unless...   Jun 28 2007, 20:32
- - CioCio   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Jun 28 2007, 15:32) Cio...   Jun 29 2007, 05:59
- - hybridfan   I use -q5 normally and that sounds very good in my...   Jul 10 2007, 11:11
- - HeXeR   I usually listen to Rock and Metal, sometimes Pop,...   Jul 16 2007, 19:03
- - Whelkman   I echo the sentiments of many in saying I'm su...   Jul 31 2007, 07:02
- - slks   I'm interested. Upload these samples.   Aug 3 2007, 21:08
- - Whelkman   http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showt...   Aug 4 2007, 01:34
- - Bourne   This test is the most crazy thing I have gone thro...   Aug 28 2007, 06:54
|- - shadowking   QUOTE (Bourne @ Aug 28 2007, 15:54) This ...   Aug 28 2007, 07:34
- - Ragnarok   I agree on the most part, -q4 weather abxing or no...   Jan 2 2008, 18:36
- - Raptus   Managed to ABX some non-killer samples at q5, so I...   Jan 2 2008, 20:16
- - naylor83   Umm.... I'm definitely annoyed by artifacts. T...   Jan 4 2008, 20:26
|- - Francksoy-Wizzu   Hello all. This whole topic is what finally made...   Jan 7 2008, 03:05
|- - stevenv   QUOTE (Francksoy-Wizzu @ Jan 7 2008, 03...   Jan 11 2010, 11:09
- - dsimcha   QUOTE (Be Positive @ Dec 26 2006, 06:32) ...   Mar 30 2010, 03:55
- - RogerG   -q4 is intransparent to me using aoTuV b5.7 even w...   Jul 17 2010, 03:00


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