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Nero 7.5 released, H.264/AVC High profile, mp3PRO support
bond
post Sep 19 2006, 19:10
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QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 19 2006, 09:53) *
Finally h.264 high profile!

It was something like 1.5 years between core encoder beeing ready and integration into Nero suite. I was really wondering if it would be integrated one day.

well it seems all it offers of high profile is 8x8dct, not much really (ateme supports much more)


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post Sep 19 2006, 22:42
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QUOTE (bond @ Sep 19 2006, 20:10) *
well it seems all it offers of high profile is 8x8dct, not much really (ateme supports much more)

There is not much more than 8x8 in the "basic" high profile. The only 3 other things that come to my mind are monochrome, different quantizers for both chroma planes, and custom quant. matrixes.
I don't think that custom quant would fit into a product such as recode.
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post Sep 19 2006, 22:53
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QUOTE (seanyseansean @ Sep 19 2006, 18:20) *
Nero obviously has moved far away from being a burner. For that purpose it *was* the best around, years ago. Now it's just another part of a fat bloated 'shovelware' suite full of stuff that i'm sure most people never make much use of.


In my opinion the Nero suite has evolved a lot since the old burning rom days. Acquisition of external software expanded it, but without using a full "integration/merge" phase. Now, it's a big suite of different pieces of software, and users (at least me) are not sure about which one to use for a given task.

(note: this big suite is probably a nightmare to validate, beeing so big and "un-integrated")

However, I understand what they are trying to achieve: relying on just burning would be increadibly risky, Microsoft itself beeing a huge competitor. They are transforming the formerly-know-as-burning-rom into a media suite, and are trying to be a major player in the media/codecs field. It's likely to be a good strategical choice.

The only problem is the "race" to new features and new versions, which seems to prevent a major rework of existing software. To several outsiders, it seems that this suite might be near to the entropy explosion point.

All this is just my own personnal opinion, and I wish that Nero will be able to "restore" this suite.
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post Sep 19 2006, 23:02
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Or to put it shorter: Ahead has transformed from a technical, product oriented company to a marketing-driven bloatware seller. One sure sign that something is seriously wrong. Hope they don't wait until all the smart guys have left.
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post Sep 20 2006, 00:20
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QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 19 2006, 21:53) *
In my opinion the Nero suite has evolved a lot since the old burning rom days. Acquisition of external software expanded it, but without using a full "integration/merge" phase. Now, it's a big suite of different pieces of software, and users (at least me) are not sure about which one to use for a given task.

As much as i like the Nero devs, i think that the company is doing the WRONG thing. Why do i have to buy a Recode product, if i only want the Burner? Or why do i have to buy the burner, if i only want the recode? Why don't sell the products, as a whole, and as separate entities? Why doesn't the installer allows me to install only what i want? Is not that dificult to do. They can continue to sell the "bundle", if they want, but give freedom of choice.


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post Sep 20 2006, 02:49
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 20 2006, 00:20) *
Why doesn't the installer allows me to install only what i want? Is not that dificult to do. They can continue to sell the "bundle", if they want, but give freedom of choice.

It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
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QUOTE (emtee @ Sep 20 2006, 01:49) *
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.

last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.


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post Sep 20 2006, 14:01
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Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?


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post Sep 20 2006, 16:17
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 20 2006, 19:02) *
QUOTE (emtee @ Sep 20 2006, 01:49) *
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.
Same here. Despite unchecking all non-necessary thingies, lots (and I do mean lots!) of unessential crap got installed. Like that search-thingy that installs itself to the Taskbar. I surely can do without!

Went as far as searching for related .dll's in the registry... only to discover that there's some 50-ish registry entries that I have to delete to get rid of that turd...

If it were not for my less-than-technical brother and sister-in-law, I would not hesitate to end my use of Nero.


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QUOTE (Melomane @ Sep 20 2006, 15:01) *
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?


Palm is dead. And the new Palm devices use Windows Mobile, so actually Nero Mobile will work.
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post Sep 20 2006, 16:48
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QUOTE (pepoluan @ Sep 20 2006, 17:17) *
QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 20 2006, 19:02) *
QUOTE (emtee @ Sep 20 2006, 01:49) *
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.
Same here. Despite unchecking all non-necessary thingies, lots (and I do mean lots!) of unessential crap got installed. Like that search-thingy that installs itself to the Taskbar. I surely can do without!

Went as far as searching for related .dll's in the registry... only to discover that there's some 50-ish registry entries that I have to delete to get rid of that turd...

If it were not for my less-than-technical brother and sister-in-law, I would not hesitate to end my use of Nero.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953


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post Sep 20 2006, 17:12
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QUOTE (DARcode @ Sep 20 2006, 15:48) *
exactly.

By the way, for me at least, this is a friendly recommendation to NERO, i don't want NERO to disapear, and if i care about it is because i like the app. I'm still using my OEM Nero 5.5 but 6 and 7 got way bloated. Even if i do like Recode2 a lot, i don't have any use for the other components.

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post Sep 20 2006, 17:20
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QUOTE (Melomane @ Sep 20 2006, 07:01) *
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?


Nero Mobile was a huge disappointment. I tried first to play MP3-files stored on my PDA. The program didn't find the files automatically, I had to browse to each folder containing music and mark every track within them to add them to the library. When doing this the program crashed several times. Then I tried to play it back. The tracks were played in random order, and I can't find a way to sort them. The sound was OK, but it was difficult to fine tune the volume - it was either way too loud or too soft. I tried to encode an album as Nero Digital files. This sounded fine, but was still played back in random order. The program was supposed to support album art, but that was not displayed, although the album art was present in the same folder as the music files. Next I activated Nero Media Home to play back streamed TV or music over wifi. The program found the TV channels and music folders on my harddisk. But when I clicked nothing happened. I don't know how long time I am supposed to wait before anything happens with this, but I think I waited long without anything happening.

Perhaps I am doing everything wrong. Does anyone else have better experiences?


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post Sep 20 2006, 17:33
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Thanks for your report!

Unfortunately, Nero Mobile still does not index the files on the first run, but this feature will be added very soon.

As for the crashes - please send me more data to my PM / e-mail and I will make sure this gets fixed as soon as possible.

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Next I activated Nero Media Home to play back streamed TV or music over wifi. The program found the TV channels and music folders on my harddisk. But when I clicked nothing happened. I don't know how long time I am supposed to wait before anything happens with this, but I think I waited long without anything happening.


Will be checked.

Also, to all people using Nero Mobile - please feel free to send or copy all the feedback to me. I am responsible for this product line and I will review all your comments / suggestions with the greatest attention. Thanks for your help!

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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 20 2006, 23:12) *
QUOTE (DARcode @ Sep 20 2006, 15:48) *
exactly.

By the way, for me at least, this is a friendly recommendation to NERO, i don't want NERO to disapear, and if i care about it is because i like the app. I'm still using my OEM Nero 5.5 but 6 and 7 got way bloated. Even if i do like Recode2 a lot, i don't have any use for the other components.
Same, um, nearly, here.

I am not against Nero, per se, I have many nice memories about Nero... until 6.

I do hope Nero will return to its lean & mean roots.

Edit: And that thread given by DARcode should not be necessary... If only Nero will honestly provide an option during installation to not install the farking Scout.

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QUOTE (Trondis @ Sep 20 2006, 18:20) *
The program was supposed to support album art, but that was not displayed, although the album art was present in the same folder as the music files.
Trondis


It's a guess, but that feature probably only works for album art embedded in MP4.

Should be easy to fix, though.
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QUOTE (DARcode @ Sep 19 2006, 18:16) *
Garf, can you please answer my two questions (Yahoo! Toolbar and your "title" change)? Thanks.
Garf?


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post Sep 20 2006, 18:39
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I didn't see any Yahoo toolbar, but I'm on 64 bit Windows, so I don't even know if perhaps Yahoo toolbar simply doesn't support that.

I think that if it would be required, more people would have bitched.

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post Sep 20 2006, 18:43
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QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 20 2006, 18:33) *
Also, to all people using Nero Mobile - please feel free to send or copy all the feedback to me. I am responsible for this product line and I will review all your comments / suggestions with the greatest attention. Thanks for your help!


I would love to do that Ivan, however I'm using a, according to Garf, 'dead' Palm PDA called the Tungsten T5. dry.gif Surely an Intel 416Mhz XScale CPU, 256MB non-volatile RAM and a 3,7'' 320 x 480 TFT are hopelessly outdated specs indeed. Also the vast amount of decent medical PALM OS available and the continously updated medical software from e.g. Skyscape don't help me at all to get me fast and reliable information every day in my profession as a children's doctor. huh.gif wink.gif

Please, Garf, in this thread you say 'we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.' only to make, in your very next post, the evidently generalizing statement 'Palm is dead' with little to no argument or reasons at all! I respect and appreciate your work and the time and effort you take to inform and help us on this board but I just had to say this.

/sorry to astray offtopic here...

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QUOTE (SoleBastard @ Sep 20 2006, 19:43) *
Please, Garf, in this thread you say 'we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.' only to make, in your very next post, the evidently generalizing statement 'Palm is dead' with little to no argument or reasons at all! I respect and appreciate your work and the time and effort you take to inform and help us on this board but I just had to say this.

/sorry to astray offtopic here...


Uhm, I pointed out that Palm has switched to Windows Mobile for their future devices. What exactly don't you understand about that?

If that's not enough: their marketshare is one of the fastest dropping ones.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8564/ga...rt-for-q1-2006/
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5228/53/

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post Sep 20 2006, 19:47
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Look! Now you're bringing 'arguments and reasons'... However according to your own sources:

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2006 Q1:
Palm PDA shipments declined 25.2 percent, as its attention has shifted to Palm's Treo smartphone business. Palm PDA shipments are at their lowest level since 1998. However, Treo shipments were 581,000, with an estimated 20 percent of these being the new Treo 700w. Treo shipments are recorded in Gartner's quarterly smartphones report.

2006 Q2:
Palmís PDA shipments declined 27% from the same period last year. However, Gartner analysts pointed out that this wasnít such a bad performance considering that Palm has not introduced any new PDAs since late 2005, and the company is focused on the Treo. Treo shipments totaled 656,000, but these are excluded from Gartnerís PDA numbers because they are smartphones.


True, the new Treo 700 sports Windows Mobile 5.0. But still the sale of 'legacy' Palm & Treo and the vast amount of Palm OS machines people bought in the last 2-3 years certainly remain substantial. Not substantial enough for Nero to think its commercially viable to release a Palm OS based Nero Mobile? Ofcourse that's their decision, I cannot judge that.

Palm OS dead? Dying, slowly, perhaps. In any case your 'Palm is dead' phrase remains a 'generalizing statement' for which you gave and still have arguable 'arguments and reasons'.
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But still the sale of 'legacy' Palm & Treo and the vast amount of Palm OS machines people bought in the last 2-3 years certainly remain substantial.


Legacy devices?

Nero Mobile decodes and plays audio & video. Attempting to do that on a device that is too slow to actually decode the video and/or has a tiny resolution is not going to get you many happy customers.

If you want legacy Palm applications, there are good solutions for Windows Mobile. I happily use StyleTap to run some of the more interesting Palm applications on my Dell Axim.

But to target a *new* application to Palm OS? Not the best allotment of resources, IMHO.
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With 'legacy' I meant the older Palm OS based PDA/Smartphones.

The Tungsten T3, Tungsten T5, Tungsten Livedrive and the Treo 650 have a >400MHz Intel XScale CPU and a screen size/resolution comparable to Sony's PSP and the new 5.5G iPod. So by no means to slow to decode MPEG-4 Part 2 (ASP) or even Part 10(AVC) or having a too small screen to enjoy video (I regularly do this while traveling by train using TCPMP).

Like I said I can perfectly well imagine that aiming a new application to Palm OS is regarded by Nero as a not commercially sound thing to do. I just find it a pity that me & my IMHO perfectly capable Palm OS based PDA are missing out on the (future) Nero Mobile fun!

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Yes Ivan, quite a bit more than 'Palm is dead' wink.gif, thank you smile.gif.

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I would personally like to see Nero Mobile running on any mobile/pda/pmp device. That means also that I would be happy seeing Nero Mobile running on the older Palm devices.

However, there are priorities - like:

- Making sure you run on devices that are able to support rich media experience such as e.g. AVC
- Making sure you run on devices representing important part of the market share
- Making sure your product features are up to date, your usability is up to date
- Making sure you satisfy your OEM customers
- Making sure your engineering team is optimally working on the most important features as well

Unfortunately, as you don't have unlimited numbers of skilled engineers in your team, having an unlimited time - you sometimes have to make decisions to prioritize some activities over some other activities - this happens in the software industry all the time - and, no matter how fast you are growing and getting the new blood in, there will still be things that have to be left for the future.

So, in essence - this means that older Palm devices will not be supported this year and the focus is to get Symbian version of Nero Mobile rolling and some more very exciting features - this of course does not exclude the possibility to support older Palm devices at some point in the future, but - like I said, this kind of decision is having to be in line with the priorities and not block something which is maybe more important to majority of people.

I hope this explains it a bit more.

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Why dosen't Nero just release a "Nero Lite" version, that has just the Burning ROM? That way you can have a choice of just the burning program, or "everything"
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