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Squeller
post Aug 8 2006, 09:10
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The last article in the mpc forums is from July 1st. This is more than dead.

Isn't it time to remove the direct links to mpc forums? mpc is like a dead limb in ha.

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kwanbis
post Aug 8 2006, 23:30
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you are not obligated to read the MPC forum, you know?


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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 9 2006, 00:30) *
you are not obligated to read the MPC forum, you know?

The original point was about the fact that nobody seems to use these forums anymore and that MPC isn't really an attractive format. So it was suggested to remove them (and it was also suggested to restructate different elements in the same row).
Do you know any reason to keep a forum if you and all other persons are not really contributing to stay active? Personnaly, I don't.

There's indeed no reason to remove parts that are not used anymore but there's a need to create new ones (like dedicated lossless forums) and another one to not overburden the board with useless forums. That's why closing the MPC one looks as a relevant suggestion.

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The quotes you posted here come from a different forum.

The quotes, yes. The all mythologic or doubtful statement about quality, etc... are still posted here from time to time.


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What i find strange is the effort you put in, gathering statistics about forum section usage and so on.

Because these statistic are teaching us that MPC original vigour is apparently lost. No messages anymore and less users on polls compared to the early time: it has a signification. For a lot of people there's no need to defend the idea of MPC's collapse because it's obvious. For some others self-centered persons, defending the idea that MPC is still a living format just because they have two hard disks filled with MPC files, it's another story. Hence the need of collecting some evidence about MPC's collapse.

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P.S. With Necrophiliac i meant someone who rapes something that is "dead".

Stating the obvious about MPC from time to time isn't really a rape I'd say. But what about using MPC: isn't it gerontophilia? wink.gif

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post Aug 9 2006, 01:08
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Aug 8 2006, 23:17) *
Do you know any reason to keep a forum if you and all other persons are not really contributing to stay active? Personnaly, I don't.

As a knowledge repository. I don't see the advantage of taking it out. By the way, never used, probably never will use MPC.


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post Aug 9 2006, 01:35
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Aug 9 2006, 02:08) *
QUOTE (guruboolez @ Aug 8 2006, 23:17) *

Do you know any reason to keep a forum if you and all other persons are not really contributing to stay active? Personnaly, I don't.

As a knowledge repository. I don't see the advantage of taking it out. By the way, never used, probably never will use MPC.

What kind of knowledge should members expect from messages posted in 2002 about outdated versions of an unsignificant format? Information about --xlevel? Features of the upcoming SV8? A debate about Buschman/Klemm encoders? Old topics are only confusing for new members. "Hey, I read somewhere that --nmt 16 --tmn 32 is near lossless. So why isn't --quality 10 recommanded instead"? Answer: --quality 10 was coded one year later...
Most answers to most questions are also outdated. Who would still suggest mpxchange or old mpc->mp3 app? What about all dead links?

Anyway, there's no need to delete the archive. MPC messages could easily be moved into the 'other formats' compost. Such massive transfer from one forum to another wont hurt the current aspect of the new forum, because most MPC threads will immediately sink into the depths of this section. Ratworms interested by old MPC debates would easily found them whatever the section they are stored.

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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Aug 9 2006, 00:35) *
What kind of knowledge should members expect from messages posted in 2002 about outdated versions of an unsignificant format?

Anyway, there's no need to delete the archive. MPC messages could easily be moved into the 'other formats' compost. Such massive transfer from one forum to another wont hurt the current aspect of the new forum, because most MPC threads will immediately sink into the depths of this section. Ratworms interested by old MPC debates would easily found them whatever the section they are stored.

You never know. Moving it to the "other formats" would be worst. Cause it would be merged with formats that one day can be mainstrean. I think is better to add a sticky/notice at the top, explaining the current situation.


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kwanbis> I don't see where's the problem. If one of the 'other' formats currently present in the dedicated board will one day become more popular inside HA community, then this format and all relevant threads are already bogged down with different formats. The current board is covering: wma, wmapro, atrac, atrac3, atrac3plus, vqf, dualstream, wavpack lossy, mp3pro, real audio, plusV, etc.... Where's the problem of adding a new piece to this museum? It would be as hard for the moderating team to extract all wma (or any other possible mainstream formats) threads from the current potpourri with or without MPC merged into this bazar. And I doubt that someone will one day extract all outdated threads about one format to put them in a freshly created forum. Personaly at least, I wouldn't do it.

I don't get your point.


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