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Updated in_mad Winamp MAD MP3 input plugin
Junon
post Aug 11 2007, 17:28
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QUOTE (eevan @ Aug 11 2007, 17:07) *
There's something wrong with v2.3 tag handling...

Might be caused by id3frame.h and /libid3tag-0.15.1b/id3tag.h. Both don't contain any definitions for TYER, but only point to TDRC instead.
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post Aug 11 2007, 20:57
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The main problem is that libid3tag was designed to only support v2.4 tags, and so a small piece of code translates any previous ones (including the v1 tag if no v2 tag is found) to v2.4. This results in the ZOBS frames, which contain information about the old frame which is erased when the tag is written by the library. My modification came about by adding the definitions of the v2.3 frames to libid3tag, inhibiting this automatic upgrade of the tag, and improving on a previous modification to write v2.3 tags to specification to the file. This seemed to work ok within the library, although can allow v2.4 frames to slip into v2.3 tags.

The code is very rough, and the plug-in side of the library doesn't look for any other frames than the ID3v2.4 types hence why the problems with v2.3 TYER and v2.4 TDRC frames. This also brings up the issue of strict ID3 tag specification, as I know some taggers do allow a "compatibility mode" where v2.4 frames slip into a v2.3 tag.

It is a mess, and with the introduction of Unicode I ned to sort it out. I've removed both the options and replaced with a single "Enable ID3v2.3 tag support". I was thinking keep ID3v2.3 as v2.3, v2.4 as v2.4, and to keep the library happy have new tags a v2.4.

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Thanks for the clarification, this explains quite a lot. For the moment I guess I'll simply workaround the ID3v2 mess by adding APE tags to the files. ID3v2.3 ISO 8859-1 will stay for compatibility reasons, while the few applications supporting APEv2 in MP3 will go for this format instead, which has proven being the least troublesome of them all. Most of the files already contain basic APE tags anyway, since they were processed by aacgain.

Edit: Certainly, I'm a complete idiot. Never process 1041 MP3 files without testing a single file for what MP3tag actually does to the tags. With my setting it entirely rewrote APEv2 instead of updating it with the ID3v2 contents, removing aacgain's undo tags. Of course, I noticed this when it was too late to reverse the rewrite. Better keep my fingers of APEv2 in MP3's case, it's not foolproof.

Oh well... not the big deal, since usually there's no need to undo the Album Gain appliance anyway. Would've been another thing if I had used Track Gain instead, but luckily I never use the latter.

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For unknown reason MAD plugin cannot play some MP3 files. Resaving with mp3DirectCut don't help, but repacking with MP3Packer help. Other decoders also work fine. Here is small cut from beginning of problem file.
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QUOTE (nemoW @ Sep 13 2007, 17:50) *
For unknown reason MAD plugin cannot play some MP3 files. Resaving with mp3DirectCut don't help, but repacking with MP3Packer help. Other decoders also work fine. Here is small cut from beginning of problem file.

Did you MP3Gain some files which were encoded with CRC protection?

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MPEG Audio Decoder 0.15.2 (beta) - Copyright © 2000-2004 Robert Leslie et al.
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robert@sly:~> madplay --ignore-crc 01-In\ Poison\ Sleep_cut.mp3
MPEG Audio Decoder 0.15.2 (beta) - Copyright © 2000-2004 Robert Leslie et al.
431 frames decoded (0:00:11,2), -11,9 dB peak amplitude, 0 clipped samples
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post Sep 13 2007, 18:01
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Did you MP3Gain some files which were encoded with CRC protection?
No. I obtained this files "as is".
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robert@sly:~> madplay --ignore-crc 01-In\ Poison\ Sleep_cut.mp3
MPEG Audio Decoder 0.15.2 (beta) - Copyright 2000-2004 Robert Leslie et al.
431 frames decoded (0:00:11,2), -11,9 dB peak amplitude, 0 clipped samples

Hmm, is there any way to remove/hide CRC info besides using MP3packer?
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post Oct 9 2007, 09:10
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I could add an "Ignore CRC" option to the plug-in, but this wouldn't help with the fact the files are at fault.

I'm currently interested in specifically what problems people are experiencing with ID3v2.3 support. I know and have fixed the TYER/TDRC problem. Are there any others?

I've read quite a way back through this thread to catch and fix most the previous problems in this new code, including Icecast2 streams, a more WA5-like basic title formatting and a few hidden RelayGain ones.

Thanks for all your help
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I'm sorry if I missed something in this very long thread.

What is the status of UTF-8 encoded text from APEv2? Is it in principle impossible to do that in Winamp or does it require one of the most recent Winamp versions? At the moment UTF-8 special characters are displayed as two bytes.

I am using the in_mad.dll dated 2007-01-02 downloaded from your link.
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Hi j7n,

The current plug-in still treated it as ANSI, however this re-written version which I'm close to putting out interprets all the text correctly as UTF-8. It includes a nearly completely rewritten APEv2 tag support enabling binary data too.

The only sections left on my todo list are the ID3v2.3 support and the EQU2 editor. I'm happy with the rest and its effect on my files then tongue.gif
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so good! i like it and have given in_mp3 up! laugh.gif
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Is it possible to add support for unicode symbols in path/filename?
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QUOTE (MoSPDude @ Oct 9 2007, 14:46) *
Hi j7n,

The current plug-in still treated it as ANSI, however this re-written version which I'm close to putting out interprets all the text correctly as UTF-8. It includes a nearly completely rewritten APEv2 tag support enabling binary data too.

The only sections left on my todo list are the ID3v2.3 support and the EQU2 editor. I'm happy with the rest and its effect on my files then tongue.gif


Have you made any progress with your update?


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MoSPDude
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I figured I'd post here as well for those who get email notifications on this topic.

I've release an updated version of the plug-in, the new forum topic for it is currently in News Submission forum. The post over there contains the link and information about it.

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QUOTE (MoSPDude @ Jan 14 2008, 06:01) *
I figured I'd post here as well for those who get email notifications on this topic.

I've release an updated version of the plug-in, the new forum topic for it is currently in News Submission forum. The post over there contains the link and information about it.


Just to save some search time for anyone trying to find the new topic, it's no longer in News Submission. It's now in Validated News:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=60454
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Hi, I've been listening with in_mad for about a week now. I have a couple of questions...

1. If I am not dithering and keep at 16-bit, do I even need to use MAD? I just want to make the most of my sound. Even without dsp and eq, i *thought* MAD sounded better than in_mp3.

2. I am unable to find a workaround for listening to AAC+ shoutcast streams. I have deleted the mp3 extension from in_mp3 and winamp will play mp3s and mp3 streams just fine, but no aac streams. 'AAC' is still listed in the file extensions of in_mp3. Any suggestions? Again, I don't use the dither feature of MAD, but thought maybe the internal eq was helping my sound.
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This decoder fails the MP3 compliance test with 16bit output.
See: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=582487

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Why I use the MAD decoder is the auto-attenuation when clipping occurs. If the Winamp decoder had that, there would be no need for me to use MAD.
Just my 2c
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I am unable to find a workaround for listening to AAC+ shoutcast streams. I have deleted the mp3 extension from in_mp3 and winamp will play mp3s and mp3 streams just fine, but no aac streams. 'AAC' is still listed in the file extensions of in_mp3.

Maybe your HTTP streams have no extensions and therefore winamp can't assign them to a specific decoder?

There is little point to use the MAD decoder in Winamp 5.52+. The only unique things it still provides are the interesting stats for stereo mode and clipping. While using the MAD plugin I discovered why some streaming unicasters sound so terrible: simple stereo and clipping by as much as 3 dB due to insufficient bitrate and 0 dB(FS) source.

In Winamp 2 I also decided not to replace the MP3 decoder. We still need the old one for (HE-)AAC, and the built-in in_MP3 has a beautiful spectrum analysis. smile.gif Besides no final version with APEv2 support was ever released, only something like betas with confusing version numbers where EQ won't work and there's dependance upon Unicode.

And then both original and MOSPDude's versions have terrible performance. They try to scan the whole file for average bitrate or other stats.

I dare anybody to present examples where in practice we can feel the precision jump from -140 dB to 147 dB!

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I like this decoder, but unfortunately it has very buggin internetional TAGs support, how do i can return that from original MAD plugin, or fix it? It seemed to work normally in original MAD plugin...
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