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vetinry
post Jul 16 2006, 10:03
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Good morning

I am having a very frustrating time trying to find a suitable audio format that I can use in my home network and hope that someone may have a solution.

As an ipod user, I ripped my entire CD collection (500 ish) to the apple lossless (ALAC) format using EAC and itunes encode. I use my ipod in the car as a CD changer, and I purchased a couple of Slim Devices Squeezebox 2's to stream music in the house.

SQ is more important than file size and this is why I chose a lossless format.

I have now recently built myself a Home Theatre PC running Windows Media Center - its main purpose is to house all of my media files (TV, audio and pictures) in one place. It is connected to the screen in the kitchen, and I am going to buy an Xbox 360 to act as media center extender in the lounge. Since the Xbox will only be able to retrieve media files through Windows Media Center, I would like to find a format that will allow me to do this, and therefore not need a separate squeezebox.

I have read a little about the incompatability between itunes and WMP, but it seems that both can play WAV flies, which although disc space hungry, would be acceptable.

This is where the problem starts - I've tried ripping WAV files in iTunes, in WMP, and in EAC but there doesn't appear to be consistency between the folder types.

The ability to capture Album artwork etc through WMP is appealing, particularly when using media center, but although using these different methods is recognised by the different programmes, the file structures which are so important for searching disappear.

Is there a method of ripping WAV files so that they can be viewed in correct folder structures by both itunes and windows media player?

Any help as always would be gratefully received.

Best wishes

Steve
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DCoder
post Dec 7 2006, 10:11
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QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 6 2006, 17:49) *
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now that i just saw it, i can't seem to find it. Either it's not implemented in the GUI configuration or the daily-builds are using an old version of libavcodec(which i doubt). either case, you can try some builds made by some other people(such as clsid2 or h_yamagata) at http://www.ffdshow.info

The ALAC directshow filter I am using is written using the BASS library see http://www.un4seen.com and an ALAC module written by Maresweb (using BASS) the source for which is here http://www.maresweb.de/projects/bass/alac.php this was then repackaged as a directshow compatible filter by Milenko Mitrovic (using the same technique he had previously used for an MP3 directshow filter version of a BASS module) and his website is http://www.dsp-worx.de you will need to ask the author for the link to the file (which is NOT based on Libavcodec). This directshow filter has its own m4a (MPEG4 Audio) splitter and in order to make things simple it actually handles both ALAC and AAC (unprotected only) and both are decoded (played) by this filter, this removed the need to try and pass AAC to a different codec. I was perfectly happy with this as AAC does work and I have no protected tracks to worry about.

I emailed him two days ago and he still hasn't replied, got your PM, and now I'm miffed at having to wait a while for him to get around to it sad.gif


Sorry, been busy in the last weeks. The Filter is now available here http://files.dsp-worx.de/dsmp3source_aac_alac.zip
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post Dec 8 2006, 01:03
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QUOTE (DCoder @ Dec 7 2006, 04:11) *
QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 6 2006, 17:49) *

QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Dec 6 2006, 20:40) *

QUOTE (Mangix @ Dec 6 2006, 02:45) *

now that i just saw it, i can't seem to find it. Either it's not implemented in the GUI configuration or the daily-builds are using an old version of libavcodec(which i doubt). either case, you can try some builds made by some other people(such as clsid2 or h_yamagata) at http://www.ffdshow.info

The ALAC directshow filter I am using is written using the BASS library see http://www.un4seen.com and an ALAC module written by Maresweb (using BASS) the source for which is here http://www.maresweb.de/projects/bass/alac.php this was then repackaged as a directshow compatible filter by Milenko Mitrovic (using the same technique he had previously used for an MP3 directshow filter version of a BASS module) and his website is http://www.dsp-worx.de you will need to ask the author for the link to the file (which is NOT based on Libavcodec). This directshow filter has its own m4a (MPEG4 Audio) splitter and in order to make things simple it actually handles both ALAC and AAC (unprotected only) and both are decoded (played) by this filter, this removed the need to try and pass AAC to a different codec. I was perfectly happy with this as AAC does work and I have no protected tracks to worry about.

I emailed him two days ago and he still hasn't replied, got your PM, and now I'm miffed at having to wait a while for him to get around to it sad.gif


Sorry, been busy in the last weeks. The Filter is now available here http://files.dsp-worx.de/dsmp3source_aac_alac.zip

biggrin.gif Yay!
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- vetinry   Finding a lossless format for itunes and windows media player   Jul 16 2006, 10:03
- - chelgrian   QUOTE (vetinry @ Jul 16 2006, 10:03) This...   Jul 16 2006, 13:50
|- - LANjackal   QUOTE (chelgrian @ Jul 16 2006, 08:50) 3)...   Oct 11 2006, 17:31
|- - EuMesmo   QUOTE (chelgrian @ Jul 16 2006, 09:50) Fi...   Nov 11 2006, 23:06
|- - goodnews   I see 2 main things needed to help FLAC to better ...   Nov 11 2006, 23:33
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (EuMesmo @ Nov 11 2006, 23:06) QUOT...   Nov 11 2006, 23:48
||- - jcoalson   QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Nov 11 2006, 17:48...   Nov 12 2006, 00:07
||- - EuMesmo   QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Nov 11 2006, 19:48...   Nov 12 2006, 00:30
||- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (EuMesmo @ Nov 12 2006, 00:30) QUOT...   Nov 28 2006, 01:40
||- - sheik124   QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Nov 27 2006, 19:40...   Dec 5 2006, 03:20
||- - sheik124   QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 4 2006, 21:20) QUOT...   Dec 6 2006, 12:22
|- - chelgrian   QUOTE (EuMesmo @ Nov 11 2006, 23:06) Actu...   Nov 27 2006, 13:28
- - /mnt   WMA Lossless can be transcoded to AAC or ALAC in i...   Jul 16 2006, 15:02
- - vetinry   Guys Thanks for taking the time to reply. Am I r...   Jul 16 2006, 15:57
|- - chelgrian   QUOTE (vetinry @ Jul 16 2006, 15:57) Guys...   Jul 16 2006, 17:44
- - vetinry   Thanks I think I'm getting the gist of what y...   Jul 16 2006, 19:49
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (vetinry @ Jul 16 2006, 19:49) Than...   Oct 11 2006, 17:19
- - beto   You should go with MP3 if lossy is an option for y...   Oct 11 2006, 17:50
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (beto @ Oct 11 2006, 17:50) You sho...   Oct 12 2006, 14:28
|- - beto   Just a few comments. QUOTE (John Lockwood @ ...   Oct 12 2006, 14:41
|- - soliluna   John, thanks for all the tips I finally got my A...   Jun 4 2007, 14:46
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (soliluna @ Jun 4 2007, 14:46) John...   Oct 16 2007, 12:24
- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE (vetinry @ Jul 16 2006, 02:03) I ha...   Oct 12 2006, 14:51
|- - Veej007   this is seems like an appropriate time to reiterat...   Oct 13 2006, 09:03
||- - jcoalson   don't forget to complain to apple too.   Oct 13 2006, 19:07
|||- - chelgrian   QUOTE (jcoalson @ Oct 13 2006, 19:07) don...   Oct 16 2006, 01:07
||- - Nick E   QUOTE (Veej007 @ Oct 13 2006, 02:03) this...   Oct 13 2006, 19:53
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 12 2006, 14...   Oct 13 2006, 21:37
- - windmiller   The WMPTSE plugin is certainly worth checking out.   Nov 27 2006, 13:08
- - Gow   For iTunes there is a QT Component that allows the...   Nov 28 2006, 02:32
|- - eofor   QUOTE (Gow @ Nov 28 2006, 02:32) For iTun...   Nov 28 2006, 09:35
|- - xxx666yyy777   QUOTE (eofor @ Nov 28 2006, 03:35) Too ba...   Dec 5 2006, 02:46
- - Klyith   QUOTE (xxx666yyy777 @ Dec 4 2006, 20:46) ...   Dec 5 2006, 03:07
|- - xxx666yyy777   QUOTE (Klyith @ Dec 4 2006, 21:07) QUOTE ...   Dec 5 2006, 05:15
- - Mangix   make sure to enable ALAC in the audio configuratio...   Dec 5 2006, 07:03
|- - xxx666yyy777   QUOTE (Mangix @ Dec 5 2006, 01:03) make s...   Dec 5 2006, 16:34
- - Mangix   now that i just saw it, i can't seem to find i...   Dec 6 2006, 02:45
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (Mangix @ Dec 6 2006, 02:45) now th...   Dec 7 2006, 02:40
||- - sheik124   QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Dec 6 2006, 20:40)...   Dec 7 2006, 02:49
|- - xxx666yyy777   QUOTE (Mangix @ Dec 5 2006, 20:45) now th...   Dec 9 2006, 18:21
- - DCoder   QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 6 2006, 17:49) QUOT...   Dec 7 2006, 10:11
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (DCoder @ Dec 7 2006, 04:11) QUOTE ...   Dec 8 2006, 01:03
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 7 2006, 19:03) QUOT...   Dec 9 2006, 17:24
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 9 2006, 11:24) QUOT...   Dec 10 2006, 00:57
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (sheik124 @ Dec 10 2006, 00:57) QUO...   Dec 10 2006, 18:12
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (John Lockwood @ Dec 10 2006, 12:12...   Dec 10 2006, 18:25
- - Mangix   as an alternative, you can use foobar2000 with the...   Dec 10 2006, 02:34
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (Mangix @ Dec 9 2006, 20:34) as an ...   Dec 10 2006, 16:34
- - DCoder   QUOTE Anyone have any info on why it may be having...   Dec 10 2006, 19:37
|- - sheik124   QUOTE (DCoder @ Dec 10 2006, 13:37) QUOTE...   Dec 10 2006, 23:31
|- - sheik124   In case anyone is interested, VLC has libavcodec p...   Dec 11 2006, 01:30
- - Mangix   mov and mp4 should be generally the same thing. th...   Dec 10 2006, 21:05
- - ShinKen   Thanks to this forum and this thread, I was able t...   Dec 22 2006, 03:59
|- - Tuono   QUOTE (ShinKen @ Dec 22 2006, 03:59) Than...   Dec 18 2007, 21:32
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (Tuono @ Dec 18 2007, 21:32) QUOTE ...   Dec 19 2007, 23:17
|- - Andy2000   All, I have the same problem. Thanks to John...   Jan 3 2008, 17:54
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (Andy2000 @ Jan 3 2008, 17:54) All,...   Jan 4 2008, 00:20
|- - grommet   Extenders can stream uncompressed PCM audio. So, ...   Jan 4 2008, 00:54
- - tanner   I probably spent a few time in the last few months...   Dec 31 2006, 05:45
- - DCoder   That's a common issue with Vista. Rightclic...   Jan 2 2007, 08:39
- - Mike Carlisle   Hi, I'm trying to follow this thread to work ...   Jan 4 2007, 15:07
- - Mike Carlisle   Thought I had it working... but no I've bee...   Jan 4 2007, 16:09
- - Cartoon   But what about the other way? How to create ALAC f...   Jan 4 2007, 17:31
|- - eofor   QUOTE (Cartoon @ Jan 4 2007, 17:31) But w...   Jan 4 2007, 18:53
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (Cartoon @ Jan 4 2007, 17:31) But w...   Jan 4 2007, 23:59
- - vetinry   As the original author of this thread, I'm del...   Mar 18 2007, 18:32
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (vetinry @ Mar 18 2007, 18:32) As t...   Mar 18 2007, 20:30
|- - headcase   Sorry, can I get some noob instructions on getting...   May 21 2007, 04:04
|- - John Lockwood   If your intention is to get Apple Lossless (aka. A...   May 21 2007, 23:16
|- - headcase   Thank you for doing all that work! Couple o...   May 22 2007, 17:09
- - DrButcher   i'm still confused, im hoping you guys can hel...   Jul 3 2008, 00:37
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 3 2008, 00:37) i...   Jul 3 2008, 06:11
- - DrButcher   thanks for the quick reply, still a little confuse...   Jul 3 2008, 17:10
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 3 2008, 17:10) tha...   Jul 3 2008, 20:08
- - DrButcher   i tried an AAC track and it did indeed play throug...   Jul 4 2008, 02:40
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 4 2008, 02:40) i t...   Jul 5 2008, 09:41
- - DrButcher   ok so wmp wouldn't give me any info in the pro...   Jul 7 2008, 16:27
- - DrButcher   i also just re-registered the "file source (M...   Jul 7 2008, 17:50
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 7 2008, 17:50) i a...   Jul 8 2008, 00:49
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- - DrButcher   i ended up deleting every single filter and then r...   Jul 9 2008, 18:12
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 9 2008, 18:12) i e...   Jul 9 2008, 22:24
- - DrButcher   to tell you the truth, I don't even have itune...   Jul 10 2008, 05:23
|- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 10 2008, 05:23) to...   Jul 10 2008, 11:16
- - DrButcher   BINGO! I ripped a CD to ALAC with itunes and ...   Jul 10 2008, 15:29
- - John Lockwood   QUOTE (DrButcher @ Jul 10 2008, 15:29) BI...   Jul 11 2008, 11:01


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