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a classical music and mp3 issue?
twlkwind
post Dec 2 2002, 02:07
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Is it true that classical music lose more details after encoded with lame or other encoder like mppenc?
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post Dec 3 2002, 13:01
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QUOTE (hans-jürgen @ Dec 3 2002 - 04:43 AM)
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Furthermore, who is using MPC at low bitrates?  It isn't designed for low bitrates, it isn't tuned for low bitrates, and it's not recommended for low bitrates by the developers who have worked on it.


Do you have a link to a thread where Frank Klemm wrote this recently? I got an answer from him yesterday in de.comp.audio (a german newsgroup) where he states that he also plans to improve Musepack at low bitrates having some new ideas that could help in this issue. Furthermore he also repeated the same impression that Case already gave in relation to MP3 at low bitrates.

I don't know if Frank has ever said this explicitly, but I know that Andree (the original creator of MPC) has certainly implied it if not said it outright. The codec was not designed from the start for low bitrates either, so that suggests this as well.

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Saying that it may not be good at low bitrates (on harpsichord music or not) doesn't really mean much in this context.


That's what guruboolez said, Case and me said the opposite, and that's what I wanted to point out and what does matter in this context: there are no quick all-time truths, even (or maybe especially) if they are repeated over and over again. But I think you would probably agree on that, because you already said that there is no general guideline which codec sounds best on classical music.

By the way, guruboolez will send me some samples with classical music encoded at low bitrates where he finds MPC to be inferior to other formats, so I can compare them for myself. But I probably can't comment on them before Thursday, because I have to go on working now... wink.gif


The bit about pointing out that "there are no quick all-time truths" would be fine, but nobody is saying that MPC is really supposed to be good at low bitrates. AFAIK, it's not considered a "truth" by any stretch. How then is pointing out that it may be problematic at low bitrates (assuming for a second we're ignoring the fact that it is actually showing a lot of potential apparently) exactly relevant? This is why I mentioned context btw. In the other case, you're right in that truths shouldn't be taken for granted (that MPC is necessarily bad at low bitrates), but in this case, I don't think there is a commonly held conception that it is good at low bitrates.. so if it doesn't perform well on some harpsichord music at lower bitrates it doesn't change a lot.
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- twlkwind   a classical music and mp3 issue?   Dec 2 2002, 02:07
- - fewtch   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 1 2002 - 06:07 PM)Is it...   Dec 2 2002, 03:24
- - twlkwind   Can someone explain the relation between music sty...   Dec 2 2002, 04:15
- - twlkwind   The situation is i am managing a music related for...   Dec 2 2002, 04:35
- - Garf   MP3 is enough because it's impossible to hear ...   Dec 2 2002, 07:50
- - fewtch   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 1 2002 - 08:35 PM)The s...   Dec 2 2002, 08:05
- - twlkwind   I've been pushing the mpc format on my forum s...   Dec 2 2002, 08:05
- - Garf   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 2 2002 - 09:05 AM)Is th...   Dec 2 2002, 08:08
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 2 2002 - 12:05 AM)I...   Dec 2 2002, 08:13
- - twlkwind   Dibrom, thanks very much. You are always the autho...   Dec 2 2002, 08:18
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 2 2002 - 12:18 AM)Dibro...   Dec 2 2002, 08:20
- - fewtch   A lot of the Moog synth music I "ripped...   Dec 2 2002, 08:45
- - hans-jürgen   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 2 2002 - 08:05 AM)I...   Dec 2 2002, 12:52
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (hans-jürgen @ Dec 2 2002 - 04:52 ...   Dec 2 2002, 13:38
- - twlkwind   to hans-jürgen: 1. I have been here for quite a l...   Dec 2 2002, 13:46
- - Annuka   Lossless is a realistic alternative for classical ...   Dec 2 2002, 15:22
- - twlkwind   QUOTE (Annuka @ Dec 2 2002 - 02:22 PM)Lossles...   Dec 2 2002, 16:05
- - hans-jürgen   QUOTE (twlkwind @ Dec 2 2002 - 01:46 PM)1. I ...   Dec 2 2002, 18:28
- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Garf @ Dec 2 2002 - 08:08 AM)Heavy met...   Dec 2 2002, 19:53
- - guruboolez   For twlkwind > The only flaw I found to --alt-...   Dec 2 2002, 20:11
- - hans-jürgen   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Dec 2 2002 - 01:38 PM)QUOTE (...   Dec 3 2002, 12:43
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (hans-jürgen @ Dec 3 2002 - 04:43 ...   Dec 3 2002, 13:01


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