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Dibrom&JohnV -how you see the future of LAME?
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post Nov 30 2002, 03:32
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Topic should be:Dibrom&John and others, how do you see the future of LAME?

So tell me. I wanna know. tongue.gif

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post Dec 1 2002, 20:43
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QUOTE (Dibrom @ Nov 30 2002 - 02:10 PM)
Well.. update on the situation.  Now it seems Takehiro is no longer interested in listening test data for LAME, because HA is "rude".  FIY, to those unaware, he was the only developer recently who was working on the core LAME psymodel issues.

This really is bad news. Seems like lame development has just virtually halted in this last week or so. I am particually concerned with Takehiro's comment about HA being "rude". For a start, i have never really read any "rude" comments concerning developent (or anything else come to think of it), and secondly, HA is a great source for information about high quality audio compression, where users/members have found it when looking for high quality audio tools/information, thus are concerned with quality. We all try and pitch in with helping to develop lame via listning tests, abx results and reporting bugs. If this is being "rude" then I fail to see how lame will continue to develop.

I'm not a developer or an expert in audio compression, but as an end user all i require of lame is to be of the highest audio quality and (if possible) the quickest. Speed isnt as important as quality though, and it really DOES NOT matter about features or the frontend! Therefore i see no alternative but to perminantly use MPC, even though there is lack of hardware support, as development and planning are currently ALOT better than lame's, and the quality is constantly improving!

Here are the directions that i would like lame to take (As an average end user):

1. Improvement in quality with every release, even if releases are rare/infrequent
2. Simple set of command line presets, similar to MPC and Vorbis quality settings (q0-q9 etc) and alias like Internet/Streaming, Portable, CD, Standard, Extreme and Braindead.
3. Releases are to be fully tested by Golden Ears before being publicly released, then released as Betas/Alphas for extra quality tests and bug reports.
4. Lame Developers to get on with each other, address problems promptly and thourghly, and to be concerned with only improving quality rather than features. Leave frontends to other developers.

Development is something that i know very little of, but reading comments posted by developers, i can clearly see that there is definatly turmoil in the dev camp. It seems like some developers want speed and quick releases, and others want stable and high quality sounding releases. In this case, it is and always will be a bad way to work as devs won't be able to work TOGETHER! It also seems that most of the developers dont care what the end user wants from their project, this is a very bad way to develop a project of this type. What lame needs right now is a main project leader (such as dibrom) to lead lame development, to set main targets and goals for other devs to achieve just to add direction to lame. This leader would be able to get feedback from HA users regarging what they want from lame, so that he can point the lame project in the right direction. Without this, i'm afraid that lame will no longer be the king of mp3 compression when bad releases are constantly released (like 3.93) as users will be put off using it. I among with meny others trust dibroms points of view and will most probably stick with 3.90.2 or 3.92 until a release supersides the quality of it. But the way things are going right now, i doubt it will happen anytime soon...

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- FinCoder   Dibrom&JohnV -how you see the future of LAME?   Nov 30 2002, 03:32
- - Dibrom   I really have no idea other than I think that nobo...   Nov 30 2002, 03:42
- - JohnV   Difficult question. It's no doubt difficult ti...   Nov 30 2002, 04:34
- - PatchWorKs   Do you mean is time to switch to Vorbis ? (i real...   Nov 30 2002, 04:40
- - JohnV   QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Nov 30 2002 - 05:40 AM)Do...   Nov 30 2002, 04:46
- - Wombat   @Patchworks No ogg thread here!? Was there an...   Nov 30 2002, 04:49
- - smok3   what i wonder is: - what is supossed to be a good...   Nov 30 2002, 06:32
- - Dibrom   smok3: Yes, there is a possibility for a system l...   Nov 30 2002, 06:39
- - smok3   http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=ST...   Nov 30 2002, 07:07
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (smok3 @ Nov 29 2002 - 11:07 PM)QUOTE ...   Nov 30 2002, 07:15
- - smok3   QUOTE Takehiro has said that he is not really want...   Nov 30 2002, 09:19
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (smok3 @ Nov 30 2002 - 01:19 AM)speakin...   Nov 30 2002, 10:05
- - smok3   <guesswork> lame goals are: - better low bit...   Nov 30 2002, 11:42
- - hindred   Dibrom; if you were a lame-dev and weren't hap...   Nov 30 2002, 12:09
- - _Balint_   To Dibrom: I've heard and used the --alt-pre...   Nov 30 2002, 13:46
- - JohnV   QUOTE (_Balint_ @ Nov 30 2002 - 02:46 PM)I...   Nov 30 2002, 15:05
- - Dibrom   Well.. update on the situation. Now it seems Take...   Nov 30 2002, 15:10
- - Pio2001   In http://www.digital-inn.de/showthread.php?t...?t...   Nov 30 2002, 15:12
- - mithrandir   This doesn't look good for open-source. If LAM...   Nov 30 2002, 16:21
- - Negative Zero   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Nov 30 2002 - 09:10 AM)Well.....   Nov 30 2002, 17:31
- - _Balint_   QUOTE (JohnV @ Nov 30 2002 - 03:05 PM)If Dibr...   Dec 1 2002, 02:14
- - Nexx9   Well I'm stuck with MP3 for the time being con...   Dec 1 2002, 04:35
- - JohnMK   In my opinion this whole debate and the accompanyi...   Dec 1 2002, 05:57
- - fewtch   QUOTE (mithrandir @ Nov 30 2002 - 08:21 AM)Th...   Dec 1 2002, 07:58
- - fireballuk2001   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Nov 30 2002 - 02:10 PM)Well.....   Dec 1 2002, 20:43
- - Volcano   QUOTE Here are the directions that i would like la...   Dec 1 2002, 21:35
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (Volcano @ Dec 1 2002 - 01:35 PM)Dibrom...   Dec 1 2002, 21:40
- - stoff   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Nov 30 2002 - 03:10 PM)Well.....   Dec 1 2002, 21:49
- - JohnV   QUOTE (Volcano @ Dec 1 2002 - 10:35 PM)I don...   Dec 1 2002, 22:33
- - trekmaster   I'm not an expert on open source projects but ...   Dec 1 2002, 23:36
- - fireballuk2001   I can understand how takehiro feels... everyone is...   Dec 2 2002, 00:21
- - floyd   isn't the whole frontend thing about removing ...   Dec 2 2002, 01:32
- - LordofStars   My only problem with LAME is that the massive amou...   Dec 2 2002, 01:54
- - twlkwind   LAME needs a documentation like vorbis ogg.   Dec 2 2002, 01:58
- - mithrandir   Leadership is getting someone to do what they don...   Dec 2 2002, 02:44
- - Gabriel   No one ever read the doc here? For those who misse...   Dec 2 2002, 08:46
- - twlkwind   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Dec 2 2002 - 07:46 AM)No one...   Dec 2 2002, 08:56
- - cd-rw.org   QUOTE On HA, there're many ranting for new fea...   Dec 2 2002, 12:24
- - defiantiger   Sorry to revive, but having just joined and discov...   Jul 9 2003, 21:36
- - indybrett   I would like to see Dibrom take the LAME code and ...   Jul 9 2003, 21:58
- - Mac   I can see things here that aren't meant as dis...   Jul 9 2003, 23:12
- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE Vorbis is another promising project crying o...   Jul 10 2003, 00:21
- - defiantiger   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Jul 9 2003, 03:21 PM...   Jul 16 2003, 10:39
- - bond   why arent the lame developers interested in improv...   Jul 16 2003, 11:48
- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE Its supporting a format that's getting a...   Jul 16 2003, 18:49
- - Mac   QUOTE (bond @ Jul 16 2003, 10:48 AM)why arent...   Jul 16 2003, 19:05
- - Gabriel   How many Lame developpers do you think there are? ...   Jul 17 2003, 08:04
- - Mac   My guesses would be 4 and 1, which explains why LA...   Jul 17 2003, 10:10


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