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The LAME usage poll (3.97 only), this should be interesting
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molnart
post Jun 16 2006, 15:35
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Jun 16 2006, 02:32) *
i wonder how many of the "-V 0 --vbr-new... -V 2 --vbr-new" can ABX -V4 or even -V5 (i can't)


i couldn't even abx -V7, but my equipment is rather poor so i'm sticking with -V2 for future use.

and i'm not sure that the fact that i can't abx V7 means i don't actually hear the difference.
it can be something like when you're looking for something what is just before you, but you can't find it. You saw it, probably held it in your hands, but you didn't found it. But it was still there...

EDIT: i've done my abx tests on 2 samples, so these transparent samples doesn't mean that everything on -V7 will be transparent. If i'd do more abx tests my hearing may "improve", listeting conditions may change and so.
Also i'm considering -V2 as a bit of archiving option as i don't have the possibility to go with lossless. I assume, when the day that mp3s will be less compatible comes the new option will be lossless, so the quality of my collection will be preserved.

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post Jun 16 2006, 15:53
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Help with EAC and LAME.EXE moved to Setting up EAC with LAME.EXE.


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post Jun 16 2006, 15:57
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QUOTE (molnart @ Jun 16 2006, 14:35) *
i'm not sure that the fact that i can't abx V7 means i don't actually hear the difference.

i'm sure that if i can't abx, i cant hear the difference.


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post Jun 16 2006, 16:06
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Jun 16 2006, 16:57) *
QUOTE (molnart @ Jun 16 2006, 14:35) *

i'm not sure that the fact that i can't abx V7 means i don't actually hear the difference.

i'm sure that if i can't abx, i cant hear the difference.


self-confidence is something i never had...


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post Jun 16 2006, 17:35
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-V1 --vbr new --lowpass 20

Generally around 256 average on the stuff I encode.
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post Jun 16 2006, 18:59
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-m j -V 4 -q 0 --vbr-new

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post Jun 16 2006, 19:16
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QUOTE (HyperDrive @ Jun 16 2006, 21:59) *
-m j -V 4 -q 0 --vbr-new

"-m j" is redundant here.


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post Jun 16 2006, 21:22
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QUOTE (kwanbis @ Jun 15 2006, 18:32) *
i wonder how many of the "-V 0 --vbr-new... -V 2 --vbr-new" can ABX -V4 or even -V5 (i can't)


Probably not very many. I now of at least 5 people over at ilounge that use -V 2 yet they fail ABX tests at -V 4 and -V 5.

Personally, I can't ABX -V 4 and the source lossless file unless I am in my car (with the sound cranked up) or I am using my equipment and really concentrating. -V 3 is transparent to me. As a rule of thumb, I always go one step higher. So I use -V 2. Granted, the bitrate is too high for my ears but I have a 60GB iPod and a 500GB hard drive used for lossless and lossy storage. I think I could save about 6GB of space if I used -V 4. To me, this really isn't worth using the decreased bitrate.

Still, -V 4 is really good. I am still thinking about switching to -V 4 especially since my ears really can't hear a difference (unless I am concentrating but it is uncomfortable to listen to music like this).
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post Jun 16 2006, 21:46
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QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Jun 16 2006, 22:22) *
QUOTE (kwanbis @ Jun 15 2006, 18:32) *

i wonder how many of the "-V 0 --vbr-new... -V 2 --vbr-new" can ABX -V4 or even -V5 (i can't)


Probably not very many. I now of at least 5 people over at ilounge that use -V 2 yet they fail ABX tests at -V 4 and -V 5.


I have a few Techno tracks (now considered problem samples) that are not transparent at V2 vbr-new (ABX-ed) with normal listening conditions and crappy integrated notebook soundcard. (the most evil track is Scooter - Soul Train, ABX-able at V0 vbr-new). I can easily ABX most of V5 encodes (mainly due to lack of high frequencies).
I think that this music genre is a bit more difficult for lossy compression than others...

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post Jun 17 2006, 13:10
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For classical music it's quite simple to ABX -V 4 or -V 5 if you got really fine HiFi equipment (speakers!). But transparency noticable increases at -V 2 and above - I'm unable to ABX -V 1 or -V 0 in most cases, but for archiving purposes I want some extra bits for safety, so I'm using -V 0 or -V 2 (dependent on the source material: For piano solo -V 2 is always perfect, for complex orchestral music, I only trust -V 1 or better) most of the time.

For listening (outdoors) from my portable mp3 player of course -V 4 is already sufficient...
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post Jun 17 2006, 14:37
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Two of songs I listen to frequently were trashed by 3.97 -v5 ~ v3 and I didn't even test them *that* much - it was that easy to run into trouble. Never happened with musepack 180k or wavpack 320k.

For portable playback I still use -v5 and -v4, but to say that no one can abx them and that its always safe to drop the bitrate isn't always right. They are good quality for general playback and not for archiving, transcoding or anything more.


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post Jun 17 2006, 15:11
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QUOTE (Weird Music Mafia @ Jun 17 2006, 14:10) *
For classical music it's quite simple to ABX -V 4 or -V 5 if you got really fine HiFi equipment (speakers!).

That's why there's that --athaa-sensitivity 1 in Guruboolez's line. LAME has too gentle ATH curves for quiet sounds.

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But transparency noticable increases at -V 2 and above - I'm unable to ABX -V 1 or -V 0 in most cases,

I'm nitpicking, but transparency is binary. You're talking about quality.

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For listening (outdoors) from my portable mp3 player of course -V 4 is already sufficient...

For me too, that's why I use it (actually --preset medium, which should be the same) for my portable MP3 player.
Ogg Vorbis -q 6 for HD storage, FLAC --best for archiving on DVD.


QUOTE (jmartis @ Jun 16 2006, 22:46) *
I have a few Techno tracks (now considered problem samples) [...]
I think that this music genre is a bit more difficult for lossy compression than others...

That's why I use Vorbis for HD storage - it's excellent at electronic music since Aoyumi fixed microattack problems.

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