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Review: Best burners for reading/burning audio CDs, Bonus: CD-R media test
CiTay
post Jun 11 2006, 02:03
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In their previous issue, the noted german c't magazine had an interesting article about different drives and their usefulness for ripping and burning of audio CDs. So good in fact that i want to post some of the results here. I encourage any german reader to buy c't magazine, it's by far the best around. I don't want to spoil anything with these excerpts. Please order the mag and read the full article. Germans can also order the article for 0.80 Euro here.

So anyway, they had several DVD and CD burners for the roundup. The read tests were done with EAC (in secure mode). For the write tests, they sent the media to Audiodev in Sweden for detailed CATS analysis.

Keep in mind that these results are for (audio) CDs only, not for DVD ripping/burning.

Scores, worst to best: -- / - / o / + / ++

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BenQ DW-1640
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: +
- Read quality: +
- Reading copy-protected CDs: o (no CDS100/CDS200B/DocData2/Key2AudioB)

LG GSA-H20L
- Burn quality: o
- Read speed: -
- Read quality: o
- Reading copy-protected CDs: + (no CDS100)

LiteOn SHM-165P6S
- Burn quality: -
- Read speed: --
- Read quality: ++
- Reading copy-protected CDs: + (no CDS100)

NEC ND-4551A
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: ++
- Read quality: --
- Reading copy-protected CDs: o (no CDS100/DocData1/DocData2)

Pioneer DVR-111
- Burn quality: ++
- Read speed: o
- Read quality: o
- Reading copy-protected CDs: o (no CDS100/DocData2/Key2AudioB)

Plextor PX-760A
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: + (note: with Plextools, was slow with EAC)
- Read quality: +
- Reading copy-protected CDs: ++

Samsung SH-W163C
- Burn quality: o
- Read speed: +
- Read quality: o
- Reading copy-protected CDs: o (no CDS100/DocData1/DocData2/Key2AudioB)

ASUS CRW-5232A3
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: o
- Read quality: -
- Reading copy-protected CDs: o (no CDS100/DocData2/Key2AudioA/Key2AudioB)

Plextor Plexwriter Premium 2
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: +
- Read quality: -
- Reading copy-protected CDs: ++

Plextor PX-230A
- Burn quality: +
- Read speed: +
- Read quality: ++
- Reading copy-protected CDs: ++




They also tested different CD-R media as to which can offer the best burn quality. They were burned with the NEC ND-4551A and the Plextor PX-760A, sent to Audiodev, and the results were averaged. They were also subjected to 100 hours of 80C and 85% humidity to simulate aging, for 20 discs of each brand ("durability").

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Plextor CD-R 48x (Taiyo Yuden / cyanine dye / silver)
Quality: +
Durability: ++
Compatibility: ++

Primeon Gold CD-R 48x (C.S.I. MAM-E / phthalocyanine dye / gold)
Quality: --
Durability: o
Compatibility: +

Sony CD-R 48x (Sony / phthalocyanine dye / silver)
Quality: +
Durability: +
Compatibility: +

TDK CD-R 52x (CMC / phthalocyanine dye / silver)
Quality: -
Durability: +
Compatibility: -

Verbatim CD-R DLP 52x (Mitsubishi / azo dye / silver)
Quality: +
Durability: --
Compatibility: ++

Verbatim CD-R Audio 16x (Mitsubishi / azo dye / silver)
Quality: --
Durability: --
Compatibility: --



And to top it off, excerpts of a test on how burn speed affects burn quality:

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Plextor CD-R 48x (TY) burned with Plexwriter Premium 2:

4x speed - burn quality: +
4x speed AMQR - burn quality: ++
16x speed - burn quality: +
48x speed - burn quality: o



Some more results are here (older drives).
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Martin H
post Jul 14 2006, 01:04
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I have decided that i won't buy a Plextor drive ever again. The fact that Plextor want's to rip their customers off by trying to seel them an extra piece of software, which only use is to be able to use the features of the drives that we have allready paid a lot of money for, is just to much to stand. Also the attitude towards Open Source developers like Alex Noe with his PxScan/PxView tool, and the other one that ported it to Linux(can't remember his name, sorry). Also the drives are way to expensive compared to the compatition, and PlexTools 2.32a must be the most unstable app that i have ever used! When they then also treats their customers like i outlined above, then this just calls for a comunity boy-cot of the brand IMHO. When i first got my Plextor PX-755A, then i was pretty happy with it, but then it died on me about a week after i got it, and then when i got a new unit sent back to me, and was ripping a scratched CD, then it made an exploding kind of a sound twice, and when i then tried to rip it in my fathers cheap no name drive, then it ripped the CD fine with no problems whatsoever. Then there's that damn speed limit thing which now also the newer LiteOn's feature(for the LiteOn's it is called SMART-X technology). Whenever a CD is initialised, then the CD is checked at the outer region for jitter or the error count or something, and then a maximum ripping speed limit is set for the whole CD based on that. Of course when ripping a CD and errors occure, then the drive should slow down, but this system will eg. check a CD and find a single little error at the outer region of the CD, and then because of that, a speed limit will be set for the whole CD at 8x in burst mode, even though the rest of the CD is in perfect condition! This 8x burst speed limit is 3.6x in secure mode with C2 on, which is just to damn slow when ripping a bunch of CDs after each other. Also it dosen't even work right, as it speed limits(8x burst) nearly all the brand new CDs i have ripped and then sometimes it will give full speed to a really scratced CD. About 95% of the CDs i have ripped with this drive have been locked to 8x burst(about 100 CDs), and many where brand new. Also i must admit that it really didn't perform any better on scratched CDs than my older Cyberdrive CW058D CD-RW drive. I wanted to make the DAE Qality test to see how accurate it's returned C2 pointers was, but i couldn't, as the C2Extract.exe app continually said : No matching C2 read mode found!, so i also didn't know how much to trust the returned C2 pointers.

I then decided to buy another drive from another firm which dosen't try to rip their customers off, and i decided for a LG GSA-4167B. I would really like to buy the BenQ DW1655, but as it both caches audio and dosen't return C2 pointers + i didn't think it could do "HTOA", then i decided to look elsewhere, as i wanted a drive which performed efficiently in secure mode with C2 enabled. The reason i choose the LG GSA-4167b, was that it only cached under 64KB audio(so EAC dosen't need to flush the cache between reads), has good C2 pointer accuracy, is "HTOA" capable, has very good DVD+R writing quality and an amazingly fast 16x P-CAV writing strategy smile.gif Also the 0 samples write offset is pretty nice too. I read a review of the LG in cdfreaks where it got a SAFE BUY award and featured very good DVD+R writing quality, and cdrinfo measured the drives C2 pointer accuracy to be 99.8% - 100% with two different ABEX test discs. I can't tell you guys what a relief it is to be able to rip in EAC's secure mode with a starting ripping speed of about 20x and continually rising smile.gif

If anyone is looking for a very fast ripping drive for EAC, which also has very good DVD+R writing quality, then i can fully recommend this drive.
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Sebastian Mares
post Jul 14 2006, 05:58
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QUOTE (Martin H @ Jul 14 2006, 02:04) *
Also the 0 samples write offset is pretty nice too.


Who says it has a 0 samples write offset? Last time I checked, it had a -30 samples write offset and -102 samples read offset.


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post Jul 14 2006, 23:44
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QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jul 14 2006, 06:58) *
Who says it has a 0 samples write offset? Last time I checked, it had a -30 samples write offset and -102 samples read offset.

On the DAE Drive Features Database, then Duble0Syx and jh has both reported the drive as having a +667 samples read offset correction and a 0 samples write offset. Additionally on AccurateRip's Drive list, there are 79 persons that have reported the drive to have a +667 samples read offset correction, just as all the other LG DVDRAM drives. Have you tested it with EAC's test discs, and have you gotten at least two identical matches for the read offset correction ? I can see that you haven't used AccurateRip to find your read offset correction, as else the drive would have been purged from the list.
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- CiTay   Review: Best burners for reading/burning audio CDs   Jun 11 2006, 02:03
- - Zoom   These results make me feel less crazy for ripping ...   Jun 11 2006, 03:15
|- - Andavari   Very interesting, and I apprecitate the informatio...   Jun 11 2006, 03:58
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (Andavari @ Jun 11 2006, 04:58) Ver...   Jun 11 2006, 11:44
- - evereux   Another vote of thanks for that information Citay....   Jun 11 2006, 15:04
- - vinnie97   As far as websites are concerned, http://www.cdrla...   Jun 11 2006, 15:51
- - rudefyet   Yep...I can attest for the "-" quality a...   Jun 11 2006, 16:12
- - Demetris   Thank you, CiTay. Really appreciated.   Jun 11 2006, 21:46
- - Hollunder   looks interesting, how many drives have been teste...   Jun 11 2006, 22:13
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (Hollunder @ Jun 11 2006, 23:13) lo...   Jun 11 2006, 22:49
- - Hollunder   I thought the ones you have postet are just a few ...   Jun 12 2006, 00:07
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (Hollunder @ Jun 12 2006, 01:07) I ...   Jun 12 2006, 01:12
- - spoon   Plextor Plexwriter Premium 2 - Read quality: - Th...   Jun 12 2006, 08:52
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (spoon @ Jun 12 2006, 09:52) Does i...   Jun 12 2006, 11:45
- - Firon   How nice that the Pioneer drive has excellent burn...   Jun 12 2006, 12:42
- - spoon   Thanks for the info, it is a shame I dont speak ge...   Jun 12 2006, 13:04
|- - Pio2001   To complete what Citay said, in the last versions ...   Jun 12 2006, 19:22
|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Jun 12 2006, 18:22) To c...   Jun 18 2006, 21:37
- - Andavari   That's pretty involved from them to CP a disc ...   Jun 12 2006, 19:46
- - CSMR   QUOTE (spoon @ Jun 12 2006, 04:04) (altho...   Jun 12 2006, 19:58
- - LaserSokrates   If you can point me to the issue of c't, I...   Jun 18 2006, 12:29
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (LaserSokrates @ Jun 18 2006, 13:29...   Jun 18 2006, 13:25
- - LaserSokrates   IMHO, there wasn't too much new in the article...   Jun 18 2006, 13:50
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (LaserSokrates @ Jun 18 2006, 14:50...   Jun 18 2006, 13:53
|- - Triza   Guys! I did my own independent test and I reac...   Jun 18 2006, 20:57
- - soulsearchingsun   I read this article, too. A slight drawback in sig...   Jun 19 2006, 09:41
- - ShowsOn   But is AccurateRip a cure all? I usually do a Tes...   Jun 19 2006, 13:42
- - spoon   > unreliable data being sent to AccurateRip? I...   Jun 19 2006, 17:12
|- - ShowsOn   QUOTE (spoon @ Jun 20 2006, 01:12) > u...   Jun 19 2006, 18:31
|- - greynol   QUOTE (spoon @ Jun 19 2006, 09:12) If the...   Jun 20 2006, 04:05
- - spoon   With a confidence of 2 it is not really high enoug...   Jul 12 2006, 16:35
- - Sebastian Mares   Is the PX-230A able to overread into the lead-in o...   Jul 12 2006, 21:23
- - funkyblue   I was about to ask the same question...My Premium ...   Jul 12 2006, 22:17
- - greynol   This seems like a bizarre amount of concern over 1...   Jul 12 2006, 22:24
|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 12 2006, 21:24) Why ...   Jul 19 2006, 16:57
|- - greynol   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Jul 19 2006, 08:57) If I...   Jul 19 2006, 17:24
- - funkyblue   should be silence is the question...Anyway, instea...   Jul 12 2006, 22:47
- - greynol   QUOTE should be silence is the question...At the e...   Jul 12 2006, 22:59
- - funkyblue   Then why bother coming here? or commenting? Many p...   Jul 12 2006, 23:07
|- - greynol   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Jul 12 2006, 15:07) Th...   Jul 12 2006, 23:19
- - funkyblue   Why bother commenting? I stated I am also looking ...   Jul 12 2006, 23:26
- - Sebastian Mares   I am listening to music on my PC anyways, so a dri...   Jul 13 2006, 06:00
- - Martin H   I have decided that i won't buy a Plextor driv...   Jul 14 2006, 01:04
|- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (Martin H @ Jul 14 2006, 02:04) Als...   Jul 14 2006, 05:58
|- - Martin H   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jul 14 2006, 06...   Jul 14 2006, 23:44
- - Martin H   @Sebastian Mares I said LG GSA-4167B, not LG GSA-...   Jul 15 2006, 03:53
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|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jul 19 2006, 16...   Jul 19 2006, 21:21
|- - greynol   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Jul 19 2006, 13:21) The ...   Jul 19 2006, 21:46
|- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 19 2006, 20:46) What...   Jul 19 2006, 21:53
- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (Martin H @ Jul 15 2006, 04:53) I s...   Jul 19 2006, 17:35
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jul 19 2006, 10...   Jul 19 2006, 20:51
||- - JeanLuc   QUOTE (Anansi @ Jul 19 2006, 19:51) (btw ...   Jul 19 2006, 20:58
||- - Anansi   QUOTE (JeanLuc @ Jul 19 2006, 13:58) QUOT...   Jul 20 2006, 12:11
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|- - greynol   QUOTE (PatchWorKs @ Jul 19 2006, 14:04) B...   Jul 19 2006, 22:25
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|- - Anansi   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Jul 20 2006, 05:21) I ...   Jul 20 2006, 14:19
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (Anansi @ Jul 20 2006, 15:19) if it...   Jul 20 2006, 14:31
- - Sebastian Mares   Nobody is saying that it's bad, it's just ...   Jul 20 2006, 15:08
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jul 20 2006, 08...   Jul 20 2006, 15:27
- - spoon   I have run 1000's of cds the last few weeks th...   Jul 20 2006, 16:45
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 20 2006, 09:45) I have...   Jul 20 2006, 18:20
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Anansi @ Jul 20 2006, 10:20) does ...   Jul 20 2006, 18:35
|- - CiTay   QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 20 2006, 19:35) QUOT...   Jul 20 2006, 19:13
|- - greynol   The question is whether any of these modes will al...   Jul 20 2006, 19:34
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (CiTay @ Jul 20 2006, 12:13) QUOTE ...   Jul 20 2006, 20:54
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|- - greynol   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 20 2006, 13:15) >EA...   Jul 20 2006, 21:35
|- - Anansi   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 20 2006, 14:15) Have n...   Jul 20 2006, 21:48
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|- - greynol   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Jul 20 2006, 17:42) EA...   Jul 21 2006, 02:09
|- - audioaficionado   QUOTE (funkyblue @ Jul 20 2006, 17:42) He...   Jul 23 2006, 00:29
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|- - Anansi   QUOTE (greynol @ Jul 20 2006, 20:13) QUOT...   Jul 21 2006, 07:31
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Anansi @ Jul 20 2006, 23:31) off-t...   Jul 21 2006, 08:25
- - Anansi   ok so what does reading into the leadout provide?   Jul 21 2006, 17:17
|- - greynol   QUOTE (Anansi @ Jul 21 2006, 09:17) ok so...   Jul 21 2006, 17:52
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