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post May 30 2006, 14:38
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iPod management component for foobar2000 0.9.5+.

Home page with details and download

Notes/FAQs/changelog available here. If you read the notes and FAQs before asking any questions, it will keep me happy smile.gif

When posting problem reports, include:
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-iPod/iPhone model and firmware version

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lav-chan
post May 30 2006, 14:56
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Seems to work for me so far. I have a 2G iPod i think (touch-sensitive wheel with the buttons encircling it, that's 2G, right?).

It loads the songs pretty fast. I don't understand the difference between the play lists 'iPod Media Library' (which contains 1522 tracks) and 'iPod (iPod)' (which only contains 652 tracks), though.

One feature you might consider... if you're taking them yet... is an option to read the tags as they come in, as opposed to just getting the information from the DB.


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post May 30 2006, 15:21
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Sweet, man. I hope you get this one going.
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post May 30 2006, 15:28
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I've got a 4G nano and it's seems to work fine with that. Only ever been used with itunes database.
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post May 30 2006, 17:09
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I have a 4G 20G iPod, with a foo_pod written 4.7 iTunes database file. All is working well here, so far. Both of the foo_dop generated playlists read exactly the same. Though, I know that I currently do not have any playlists loaded in the iPod.

I would also like to thank you for giving this plugin a whirl. We iPodders truly appreciate your efforts.


P.S. I enjoy your little word play of the plugin name. ;-)

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post May 30 2006, 17:23
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Thanks for tests so far.

QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 13:56) *
It loads the songs pretty fast. I don't understand the difference between the play lists 'iPod Media Library' (which contains 1522 tracks) and 'iPod (iPod)' (which only contains 652 tracks), though.
The two different playlists just relates to the format of the database on the iPod. But I thought they would have the same contents to be honest.

Which one has all the music your iPod? And what files show up in the first but not the second?

QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 13:56) *
One feature you might consider... if you're taking them yet... is an option to read the tags as they come in, as opposed to just getting the information from the DB.
I know what you mean I think it depends on a few factors what behaviour would be better. I personally don't really want to wait around ~4 mins for it to read all the metadata of my iPod, and the drive letter can probably be too volatile to add it to your media library (if you actually wanted to) so it won't necessarily be a one-time activity. Also far less important but it will probably suck up battery if you're running it of 4-pin firewire.

Maybe I can add an option for it later, but for now you can simply select all the files in the library playlist and right click / tagging / reload info [if changed]. But take a look at the metadata it read first and check its roughly OK.


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post May 30 2006, 17:41
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Tried your plugin on a 20GB ipod and works good!

Hope this is the start of something good. I don't like iTunes and foo_pod appears to be dead. Thanks for your efforts so far.

BTW, the iTunes DB was created by foo_pod and I have iTunes v4.7 installed.
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post May 30 2006, 18:01
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QUOTE (musicmusic @ May 30 2006, 08:23) *
The two different playlists just relates to the format of the database on the iPod. But I thought they would have the same contents to be honest.

Which one has all the music your iPod? And what files show up in the first but not the second?

Um. Well iTunes says that i have 1522 songs on there, so clearly 'iPod Media Library' is the one with all the tracks.

I can't really figure out a pattern to what's missing from the 'iPod (iPod)' list. 'The Saga Begins' by "Weird Al" Yankovic (which is a random single track, albumless) is missing, and a few other random singles are missing, but there are also some full albums (Belle and Sebastian EPs) missing as well. A Billy Joel album is missing, so is a Camera Obscura one. As far as i can tell it doesn't seem to be doing this based on play-list contents (some tracks are on smart play lists, some aren't) or on play count (some i've played before, some i haven't).

I dunno, i don't get it. I want to help though, so if there's anything i can do to help you solve this just tell me.


Also i found what may be a problem: If i'm typing in Opera here, and then i switch back to foobar by clicking an arbitrary item in the play list, it locks up foobar (and the trackinfo and albumart panels don't redraw) for like 2 or 3 seconds. Navigating the play list also sometimes locks up foobar for a second. Is this just a limitation of loading songs from FireWire or something?

QUOTE (musicmusic @ May 30 2006, 08:23) *
I know what you mean I think it depends on a few factors what behaviour would be better. I personally don't really want to wait around ~4 mins for it to read all the metadata of my iPod, and the drive letter can probably be too volatile to add it to your media library (if you actually wanted to) so it won't necessarily be a one-time activity. Also far less important but it will probably suck up battery if you're running it of 4-pin firewire.

Maybe I can add an option for it later, but for now you can simply select all the files in the library playlist and right click / tagging / reload info [if changed]. But take a look at the metadata it read first and check its roughly OK.

Yeah, it's not really a big deal. In this case i was just a little disoriented when all these tracks started showing up randomly in my play list (because my sort string depends on %album artist% and %disc% and all this other stuff that iTunesDB doesn't carry over).


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Oh, and you said in the first post that only normal play lists will be loaded. I have six smart play lists and one normal play list. All of them, including the normal one, are empty.

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post May 30 2006, 18:27
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QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 17:01) *
Um. Well iTunes says that i have 1522 songs on there, so clearly 'iPod Media Library' is the one with all the tracks.

I can't really figure out a pattern to what's missing from the 'iPod (iPod)' list. 'The Saga Begins' by "Weird Al" Yankovic (which is a random single track, albumless) is missing, and a few other random singles are missing, but there are also some full albums (Belle and Sebastian EPs) missing as well. A Billy Joel album is missing, so is a Camera Obscura one. As far as i can tell it doesn't seem to be doing this based on play-list contents (some tracks are on smart play lists, some aren't) or on play count (some i've played before, some i haven't).

I dunno, i don't get it. I want to help though, so if there's anything i can do to help you solve this just tell me.

OK thanks for looking into it. Maybe you can upload your iTunesDB (from the /iPod_Control/iTunes on your iPod) (or email it to me, musicmusic [at] morbo [dot] org, if you prefer) and I'll take a look at it. What wrote it BTW?

QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 17:01) *
Also i found what may be a problem: If i'm typing in Opera here, and then i switch back to foobar by clicking an arbitrary item in the play list, it locks up foobar (and the trackinfo and albumart panels don't redraw) for like 2 or 3 seconds. Navigating the play list also sometimes locks up foobar for a second. Is this just a limitation of loading songs from FireWire or something?

It seems to be caused by foo_uie_albumart looking for albumart.

QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 17:01) *
Yeah, it's not really a big deal. In this case i was just a little disoriented when all these tracks started showing up randomly in my play list (because my sort string depends on %album artist% and %disc% and all this other stuff that iTunesDB doesn't carry over).
The disc number field is stored in the iTunesDB. Just whatever wrote it didn't put it in there I guess. It also does store a "compilation flag" but I'm not sure what field I could map that too..


QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 17:01) *
edit:
Oh, and you said in the first post that only normal play lists will be loaded. I have six smart play lists and one normal play list. All of them, including the normal one, are empty.

I would expect the smart ones to show up empty. But not the normal one, I'll take a look at it if you upload your iTunesDB.


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post May 30 2006, 18:53
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QUOTE (musicmusic @ May 30 2006, 09:27) *
OK thanks for looking into it. Maybe you can upload your iTunesDB (from the /iPod_Control/iTunes on your iPod) (or email it to me, musicmusic [at] morbo [dot] org, if you prefer) and I'll take a look at it. What wrote it BTW?

Just iTunes (the newest one).


lol. Compressed to 4% of original size. I used your favourite.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...C84AE7731DC4F63


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post May 30 2006, 19:25
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Your not going to like this.. it seemed to load fine here, both library playlists had 1522 tracks and all of the rest non-empty.

I think I have an idea what the problem is though, I'll have a version for you to test later.


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post May 30 2006, 19:26
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lol. Okey-dokey.


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post May 30 2006, 20:02
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foo_dop v0.1 works like a charm with my fifth-gen iPod Video (60GB)
It even loads my Smart- and On-The-Go playlists correctly.

Both "iPod Media Library" and "My iPod (iPod)" contains the same number of files.
DB written by iTunes 6.0.0.18

Keep ut the good work! This initiative is very much appreciated.
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post May 30 2006, 21:00
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QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 18:26) *
lol. Okey-dokey.

Can you try both 0.1.1 above and this test version and tell me which (if either) work. Thanks!


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post May 30 2006, 21:09
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Mmm... they both do. The two lists mentioned earlier now have the same file count, and all the play lists from the iPod are loaded properly.


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post May 30 2006, 21:20
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I can also verify that both 0.1.1 and the Test version are working properly. Quite a bit quicker too.

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post May 30 2006, 21:35
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Hi. Posting to state that 0.1.1 loads correctly the ipod library as well as all smart playlists and all regular playlists (except playlists saved on-the-go). Mine is a 4g with greyscale screen and its iTunesDB was created with Winamp's ml_ipod 1.32. It was very quick to load as well.

Thanks musicmusic for making foo_dop.
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post May 30 2006, 22:19
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Thanks for the additional tests people.

QUOTE (lav-chan @ May 30 2006, 20:09) *
Mmm... they both do. The two lists mentioned earlier now have the same file count, and all the play lists from the iPod are loaded properly.
Strange blink.gif In that case, please delete the test version. Thanks for testing.

QUOTE (drbeachboy @ May 30 2006, 20:20) *
Quite a bit quicker too.
I made a little optimisation in that respect smile.gif Scanning for the drive is the slow part now tongue.gif


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post Jun 1 2006, 23:03
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Good work, and good luck. You'll soon make foo_pod look like a toy.
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post Jun 2 2006, 04:56
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musicmusic: I've got an iPod Mini. As soon as I get some stuff set up, I'm going to try out foo_dop and give some feedback. I'm very excited about this project and would be happy to lend some assistance in terms of testing functionality and such.

Cheers.




edit: works like a charm. Loads the playlists and library. Counts for the library are correct. All my playlists show, and also one that's just named after the iPod itself (I'm guessing that's the "On the go" playlist inherent to the iPod).

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post Jun 2 2006, 06:50
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Whoa, works perfectly, and its fast as well. Using a 4G iPod, latest firmware, latest iTunes.
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post Jun 2 2006, 08:38
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Works nice with iPod 5G 30GB (firmware v1.1.1) and iTunes 6.0.4.2.

I really look forward to using this for writing to my iPod (with Replay Gain conversion).

Cheers,
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post Jun 2 2006, 09:35
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Working perfectly with iPod 3G 20GB with the DB written by foo_pod.
Keep the good work smile.gif


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post Jun 2 2006, 19:27
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0.1.5 released with "Rewrite iPod database" feature. Details above, but its only really for testing wink.gif Once you've tested it, you may wish to restore the backup database.

If you decide to test it, please let me know how well it worked for you, and what iPod you have also smile.gif


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post Jun 2 2006, 21:00
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4G, 20gb, tested the rewrite feature. Didn't break anything :)
Can you add a feature so I can specify what tags it writes? It would be great if I could make it write "%album% CD%disc%" in the album tags :)
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