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Cryptic claims made elsewhere (so-called, audible differences between FLAC & WAVE)
vinnie97
post May 23 2006, 03:36
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I'd just like to see some commentary on the claim in this thread about someone who is claiming they can hear the difference between WAV and FLAC: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?p=84975 (skip to page 3).

This individual seems to mistakenly think that FLAC utilizes some algorithm that interferes with the high frequencies (making them "better" to his ears). blink.gif I obviously think he's imagining these differences or being deceived by a decoder as referenced in the thread (he ignores that suggestion, though).

Perhaps the FLAC developer can set him straight because he seems to think he's rather knowledgeable on the topic. rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Doh, I exceeded the limit of chars for a topic (no warning ;( )

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TrNSZ
post May 23 2006, 04:42
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You can easily prove this using math on paper, or in a real-application by using a bit-for-bit comparison of the WAV data with the decoded FLAC data, and with the proper hardware, it is trivial to verify the exact same audio data is being sent to your DAC.

Any claims otherwise are pure nonsense. Lots of people think they are knowledgable and at least pretend to be, but are really just clueless. This seems especially true in this case where any difference is easily verifiable both in the computer and comparing data sent from the computer to an off-board DAC.

If the person who is making these claims refuses to provide you with results of simple tests that would easily and undeniably confirm (but more likely, deny) his findings, that is reason enough to be positive he is trolling or making it all up. It is also possible he has some kind of software misconfiguration or misimplementation and he's either too stupid or too embarassed to admit it. Anyone who claims to be in an "advanced study period of computer science in audio-visual systems" who uses meaningless terms such "rounder" and "more harmonic" sounding is obviously just a troll.

If the moderators of that forum don't have any problem with a user behaving in such a fasion, I'd suggest you find a new forums to frequent as quickly as possible.

Anyway, if someone is convinced they are immortal, or the world is flat, or even that 1+1 is 3, then I doubt correcting them will have any effect.

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post May 23 2006, 05:33
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QUOTE (TrNSZ @ May 22 2006, 22:42) *
Anyway, if someone is convinced they are immortal, or the world is flat, or even that 1+1 is 3, then I doubt correcting them will have any effect.

That is all too true. No amount of learning can cure stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me how such people live in a deterministic world, then ignore logic and reason when it suits them.


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- vinnie97   Cryptic claims made elsewhere (so-called   May 23 2006, 03:36
- - Mike Giacomelli   Hes just an idiot. And those forums look pretty h...   May 23 2006, 03:42
- - vinnie97   lol, I only post there since I'm a fan of Cowo...   May 23 2006, 03:49
- - boojum   Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and ...   May 23 2006, 04:17
- - TrNSZ   You can easily prove this using math on paper, or ...   May 23 2006, 04:42
|- - Mono   QUOTE (TrNSZ @ May 22 2006, 22:42) Anyway...   May 23 2006, 05:33
|- - Never_Again   QUOTE (Mono @ May 23 2006, 00:33) It neve...   May 23 2006, 13:49
- - vinnie97   Of course, you're all right...that's why I...   May 23 2006, 06:14
- - Otto42   Arguing with people on the internet is like being ...   May 23 2006, 06:16
|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (Otto42 @ May 22 2006, 23:16) Argui...   May 23 2006, 07:09
|- - tev777   QUOTE (Otto42 @ May 23 2006, 01:16) Argui...   May 24 2006, 23:28
- - Synthetic Soul   Topic title amended. QUOTE (boojum @ May 23 ...   May 23 2006, 08:56
- - pepoluan   You know, not to defend the retard there, if you a...   May 23 2006, 09:24
|- - sTisTi   QUOTE (pepoluan @ May 23 2006, 10:24) You...   May 23 2006, 12:29
|- - Demetris   QUOTE (sTisTi @ May 23 2006, 14:29) ...an...   May 23 2006, 14:51
|- - Jebus   QUOTE (sTisTi @ May 23 2006, 03:29) QUOTE...   May 24 2006, 16:19
|- - molnart   QUOTE (Jebus @ May 24 2006, 17:19) I...   May 24 2006, 20:32
- - vinnie97   Thanks for the title fix, Synthetic Soul. Otto, I...   May 23 2006, 12:07
- - shadowking   There are only bit comparisons in lossless. There ...   May 23 2006, 12:18
- - pepoluan   Ah, so much for my hypothesis Psst... don't ...   May 23 2006, 12:40
- - molnart   I can fairly imagine that a portable music player ...   May 23 2006, 16:18
|- - TrNSZ   QUOTE (molnart @ May 23 2006, 11:18) So i...   May 23 2006, 16:54
- - molnart   You are right. I meant something like this: take a...   May 23 2006, 17:31
|- - audiomars   QUOTE (molnart @ May 23 2006, 22:01) ----...   May 24 2006, 06:13
- - Firon   FLAC doesn't really use any significant amount...   May 24 2006, 21:41
|- - Jebus   QUOTE (Firon @ May 24 2006, 12:41) FLAC d...   May 24 2006, 23:38
|- - Never_Again   Jebus wrote: >But "less" still means ...   May 26 2006, 15:13
- - porky_pig_jr   I had a similar dialog. The guy claimed he could h...   May 24 2006, 23:41
- - vinnie97   Yea, Porky...sounds like an equally frustratingly ...   May 25 2006, 06:44
- - molnart   A little more provocation: i don't think claim...   May 26 2006, 17:51
- - pepoluan   I never knew that Josh idolizes Stalin... Just K...   May 26 2006, 19:22
- - Axon   Beliefs like that don't have super bad consequ...   May 26 2006, 19:22


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