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Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Kurt S
post Apr 7 2006, 23:58
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So back in the late 80's I bought Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti CD and boy was I ever dissapointed. The fidelity was horrible. It sounded like someone ran it through an EQ and made the sliders look like a bell curve. No low end to speak of and the highs weren't any better. I A/B'ed it against the LP I had and the difference was night and day. The LP was crisp and clear with good bass. Well I've gotten back into this album but even after running it through some EQ I'm still not happy with the results.

My question is, has anyone purchased this album recently and if so, what is your opinion of the quality.

PS. I know the first thing I'm going to hear is if I have A/B'ed it recently. I have not. I don't have a turntable anymore but if anyone questions what I'm hearing, I would be glad to post a small sample for you to listen to.
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greynol
post Nov 21 2006, 01:56
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Here are some numbers for you. Sorry that I don't have Box Set #2.

CODE
1990     1993
Box      CSR      Track                  Diff.
-4.12    -7.31    Custard Pie            3.19
-4.62    -7.14    Houses of the Holy     2.52
-4.88    -6.37    In My Time of Dying    1.49
-4.40    -4.93    In the Light           0.53
-5.35    -5.86    Kashmir                0.51
-4.07    -4.68    Ten Years Gone         0.61
-4.29    -6.07    The Wanton Song        1.78
-5.78    -7.33    Trampled Under Foot    1.55


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post Nov 21 2006, 04:46
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Not sure the guy on SH.tv is talking about replaygain value differences, though I'm grateful to have that data. Can you post RMS avg and peak values for the crop circle tracks? I can generate them for the 10-CDbox versions.

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post Nov 21 2006, 10:32
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QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 21 2006, 03:46) *
Not sure the guy on SH.tv is talking about replaygain value differences, though I'm grateful to have that data. Can you post RMS avg and peak values for the crop circle tracks? I can generate them for the 10-CDbox versions.

Sorry, only just seen this resurrected thread. Greynol's figures seem to show that there are much bigger differences on some tracks than I had measured for "Good Times Bad Times". I don't remember why I chose that particular track - it was probably just convenient. When I get home tonight I'll measure some peak and RMS levels for a variety of Crop Cricle and 10CD box tracks (unless someone else posts the data before then).
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post Nov 21 2006, 10:54
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QUOTE (cliveb @ Nov 21 2006, 01:32) *
When I get home tonight I'll measure some peak and RMS levels for a variety of Crop Cricle and 10CD box tracks (unless someone else posts the data before then).

I generated data for Discs 1 and 2 of the Crop Circle Box using Audition already.
CODE
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Peak Amplitude: -1.22 dB -.7 dB
Average RMS Power: -19.02 dB -18.3 dB

Celebration Day
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.3 dB -16.65 dB

Communication Breakdown
Peak Amplitude: -.45 dB -.74 dB
Average RMS Power: -15.72 dB -15.14 dB

Dazed And Confused
Peak Amplitude: -.03 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.38 dB -16.71 dB

Friends
Peak Amplitude: -.77 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -19.16 dB -19.02 dB

Heartbreaker
Peak Amplitude: -.01 dB -.51 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.96 dB -16.74 dB

Hey Hey What Can I Do
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -18.82 dB -18.67 dB

I Can't Quit You Baby
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB -.01 dB
Average RMS Power: -18.6 dB -19.5 dB

Ramble On
Peak Amplitude: -.05 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.31 dB -19.35 dB

Thank You
Peak Amplitude: -.91 dB -1.46 dB
Average RMS Power: -24.27 dB -23.23 dB

Travelling Riverside Blues
Peak Amplitude: -.89 dB -.89 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.96 dB -16.96 dB

What Is And What Should Never Be
Peak Amplitude: -1.2 dB -.55 dB
Average RMS Power: -21.36 dB -21 dB

White Summer , Black Mountain Side
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -23.8 dB -23.8 dB

Whole Lotta Love
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -19.33 dB -19.29 dB

Your Time Is Gonna Come
Peak Amplitude: -1.23 dB -1.11 dB
Average RMS Power: -18.57 dB -18.31 dB


CODE
Black Dog
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -17.4 dB -18.15 dB

Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
Peak Amplitude: -.5 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.22 dB -20.08 dB

Custard Pie
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.06 dB -19.66 dB

D'yer Mak'er
Peak Amplitude: -.04 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.22 dB -19.42 dB

Gallows Pole
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.11 dB -20.81 dB

Going To California
Peak Amplitude: -4.9 dB -3.14 dB
Average RMS Power: -21.22 dB -21.36 dB

Immigrant Song
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.34 dB -16.76 dB

Misty Mountain Hop
Peak Amplitude: -.92 dB -1.5 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.3 dB -16.5 dB

Over The Hills And Far Away
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -21.65 dB -21.02 dB

Rock And Roll
Peak Amplitude: -.78 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -16.28 dB -16.55 dB

Since I've Been Loving You
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -18.82 dB -19.19 dB

Stairway To Heaven
Peak Amplitude: -1.11 dB -.14 dB
Average RMS Power: -21.45 dB -21.07 dB

Tangerine
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB 0 dB
Average RMS Power: -20.45 dB -20.47 dB

The Battle Of Evermore
Peak Amplitude: -4.12 dB -2.4 dB
Average RMS Power: -21.1 dB -19.66 dB

The Rain Song
Peak Amplitude: 0 dB -.15 dB
Average RMS Power: -19.72 dB -19.22 dB


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post Nov 21 2006, 11:18
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Whew! I don't know if we should even be arguing this one boyz'. I mean, this album, as with many others of the day for Zep', are so chalk full of rock / soul / feeling / energy, that I don't think that they were put down to be any kind of audiophile oracle... We're talking here about my favorite Zeppelin LP. I've owned the damned thing in cassette, LP and CD - hell, perhaps even 8-track, (don't recall).

It’s a [lot] grungy, a [bit] raw, dirty - but its such a classic slab of rock and roll - Damn, now I have to go play it...

There, The Rover is screaming in the background… refocus man…

My current remastered double Album (CD) has great bass, though I cannot compare it to the LP version as I don't currently have it - got out of vinyl years ago, sold everything - only to get back into it two years ago... rolleyes.gif

1) Leave your keyboard now
2) Place said masterpiece in the TT or in the CD
3) Crank shitless...

…ah, now, isn’t that much better…?

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post Nov 30 2006, 22:47
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We talked about this album last week (along woth many other 70s classics), after the pub, sitting around drinking. What was the best song? what a great guitar sound! I love the way his voice goes up there, and that is really inspiring harmony, that sounds so emotional, etc, etc.

But not once did we talk about the audiophile quality!

I gave a copy of a rare track to my friend. From a crappy tape recording of a scratched recorded to PC, MP3, lossless, good knows if it was recrded as JS, dual or whatever, and you know what? he was blown away. He hadnt heard it for 20 years amd couldn't believe how great the band were. Now, I would have liked a better quality recording myself, but I'll not cry over it.

Actually, I do remember something about the recording - it was mono, but the music was alive, the way the drummer played lifted the music and brought in new dimensions.

I have One Day I'll Fly Away on Moulin Rouge (proper CD, modern recording) and a scratched, low-fi version by Randy Crawford. The former is flat, the latter tugs at the heart strings. Why? because Randy Crawford can really sing, the arrangement is subtle, yet powerful, the backing strings compliment her voice, she biursts into the powerful emotions without having to strain her voice. The timing cannot be defined. It is a truly emotional experience.

The other woman is average, the arrangement has no spirit, it was dashed off.

Now, on this forum, people would say the reverse. The Randy Crawford recording is not great, it is audiophilically flat, but emiotanally, it is upifting.


"So back in the late 80's I bought Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti CD and boy was I ever dissapointed."

Physical Graffiti is a great album. Don't be disappointed. Sit back, turn up the volume and sink into the music.

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post Dec 14 2006, 13:26
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QUOTE (paulmarkj @ Nov 30 2006, 22:47) *
"So back in the late 80's I bought Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti CD and boy was I ever dissapointed."

Physical Graffiti is a great album. Don't be disappointed. Sit back, turn up the volume and sink into the music.

I don't think that this is really the point of this discussion at all. The point is trying to determine the best version that you can get. I love Physical Graffiti. A little bit of clipping will never change that, but if someone came to me and said "Here's a perfect version, do you wanna swap?" I'd say yes please smile.gif

It's still just about my favourite album though.
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- Kurt S   Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti   Apr 7 2006, 23:58
- - kennedyb4   QUOTE (Kurt S @ Apr 7 2006, 05:58 PM) So ...   Apr 8 2006, 00:23
- - audioflex   i have this CD....sounds just fine.   Apr 8 2006, 07:30
|- - randal1013   QUOTE (audioflex @ Apr 8 2006, 02:30 AM) ...   Apr 13 2006, 16:51
- - aLii   I have the remastered CD - dunno when exactly it w...   Apr 8 2006, 18:07
- - Axon   I have the box set and the original pressing vinyl...   Apr 8 2006, 18:21
- - Kurt S   Ok, it looks like the newer versons are mastered b...   Apr 9 2006, 21:38
- - krabapple   This was never anything near an 'audiophile qu...   Apr 10 2006, 05:50
- - chelrob   The album was remastered again 1994, it sounds eve...   Apr 10 2006, 07:43
|- - Triza   QUOTE (chelrob @ Apr 9 2006, 10:43 PM) Th...   Apr 10 2006, 15:33
||- - cliveb   QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 10 2006, 03:33 PM) QUO...   Apr 11 2006, 11:32
||- - chelrob   . Never mind   Nov 21 2006, 05:39
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (chelrob @ Apr 10 2006, 02:43 AM) T...   Apr 13 2006, 06:20
|- - TomGroove   just listening again to my 10 Box set, don't t...   Apr 15 2006, 11:12
- - My name is Mud   I've got the same version as krabapple, and it...   Apr 10 2006, 20:18
- - Triza   cliveb, this is very informative post. Thank you. ...   Apr 11 2006, 15:31
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Triza @ Apr 11 2006, 03:31 PM) You...   Apr 11 2006, 16:33
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (cliveb @ Apr 11 2006, 10:33) QUOTE...   Nov 20 2006, 20:36
- - UObean   Personally I like the older non-remastered version...   Apr 11 2006, 15:55
- - greynol   Here are some numbers for you. Sorry that I don...   Nov 21 2006, 01:56
|- - krabapple   Not sure the guy on SH.tv is talking about replayg...   Nov 21 2006, 04:46
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 21 2006, 03:46) No...   Nov 21 2006, 10:32
|- - greynol   QUOTE (cliveb @ Nov 21 2006, 01:32) When ...   Nov 21 2006, 10:54
|- - digital   Whew! I don't know if we should even be a...   Nov 21 2006, 11:18
||- - paulmarkj   We talked about this album last week (along woth m...   Nov 30 2006, 22:47
||- - aLii   QUOTE (paulmarkj @ Nov 30 2006, 22:47) ...   Dec 14 2006, 13:26
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (paulmarkj @ Nov 30 2006, 16:47) Ph...   Dec 18 2006, 17:29
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (greynol @ Nov 21 2006, 09:54) QUOT...   Nov 21 2006, 20:33
|- - krabapple   Since more people tend to report Avg than Total RM...   Nov 21 2006, 21:18
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 21 2006, 20:18) Cl...   Nov 21 2006, 23:28
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (cliveb @ Nov 21 2006, 17:28) QUOTE...   Nov 21 2006, 23:54
- - Lysander   How about the best of discs? What was done to them...   Nov 21 2006, 08:32
- - xmixahlx   the fact (yes, fact) that zeppelin rocks your worl...   Nov 21 2006, 19:02
- - greynol   I still have all the data generated by Audition, s...   Nov 21 2006, 20:41
- - krabapple   Btw, when I tote up all the differences so far bet...   Nov 21 2006, 22:22
|- - greynol   QUOTE (krabapple @ Nov 21 2006, 13:22) I ...   Nov 21 2006, 22:34
- - krabapple   Yes, that is the other dimension -- many time-prox...   Nov 21 2006, 22:44


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