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Artemis3
post Nov 9 2002, 20:24
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According to mppenc 1.14 output: (playing with --verbose happy.gif)

--quality 11 calls MACDll.dll (why not flac?) smile.gif

--quality 10
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'above BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 24.0 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/oo dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 599: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 46 dB, Offset: -30 dB, +Offset@20 kHz:-29 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 14.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 33.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 6.0 dB

--quality 9
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'above BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 24.0 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 590: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 52 dB, Offset: -24 dB, +Offset@20 kHz:-24 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 12.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 30.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 5.0 dB

--quality 8
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 24.0 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 580: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 58 dB, Offset: -18 dB, +Offset@20 kHz:-18 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 11.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 27.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 4.0 dB

--quality 7
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Insane'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 24.0 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 570: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 64 dB, Offset: -12 dB, +Offset@20 kHz:-12 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 9.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 24.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 3.0 dB

--quality 6
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Xtreme'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (2.5/9 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 560: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 70 dB, Offset: -6 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: -6 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 8.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 21.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 2.0 dB

--quality 5
SV 7.0 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Standard'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 20.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (2/6 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 550: min(Klemm,Busch), Max ATH: 76 dB, Offset: +0 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 1.0 dB

--quality 4
SV 7.1 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Radio'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 16.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior
Threshold of Hearing : Model 440: Klemm/Busch mix, Max ATH: 82 dB, Offset: +6 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 6 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 5.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 15.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 0.27

--quality 3
SV 7.1 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Thumb'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 13.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, reduced imaging (-3 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 430: Klemm/Busch mix, Max ATH: 88 dB, Offset: +12 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 12 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 3.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 12.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 0.39

--quality 2
SV 7.1 + XLevel coding, Profile 'Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 10.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, much reduced imaging
Threshold of Hearing : Model 400: Klemm/Busch mix, Max ATH: 94 dB, Offset: +18 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 30 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 2.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 9.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 0.55

--quality 1
SV 7.1 + XLevel coding, Profile 'below Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 8.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, destroyed imaging (unusable)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 300: Klemm, Max ATH: 100 dB, Offset: +24 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 30 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 0.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 6.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 0.77

--quality 0
SV 7.1 + XLevel coding, Profile 'below Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 5.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, destroyed imaging (unusable)
Threshold of Hearing : Model 300: Klemm, Max ATH: 106 dB, Offset: +30 dB, +Offset@20 kHz: 30 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : -1.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 3.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 1.09

I used a 48Khz sample happy.gif


A little history



MPC Encoder 1.1 Release © 1999-2002 Buschmann/Klemm/Piecha

--quality 11
mppenc: Can't open MACDll.dll, quality set to 10.0

--quality 10
SV 7.0, Profile 'above BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/oo dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: -30 dB @20 kHz(40), Max ATH: 46 dB, Offset: -30 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 14.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 33.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 6.0 dB

--quality 9
SV 7.0, Profile 'above BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: -24 dB @20 kHz(39), Max ATH: 52 dB, Offset: -24 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 12.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 30.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 5.0 dB

--quality 8
SV 7.0, Profile 'BrainDead'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: -18 dB @20 kHz(38), Max ATH: 58 dB, Offset: -18 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 11.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 27.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 4.0 dB

--quality 7
SV 7.0, Profile 'Insane'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (3/12 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: -12 dB @20 kHz(37), Max ATH: 64 dB, Offset: -12 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 9.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 24.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 3.0 dB

--quality 6
SV 7.0, Profile 'Xtreme'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 22.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (2.5/9 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +6 dB @20 kHz(36), Max ATH: 70 dB, Offset: -6 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 8.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 21.0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 2.0 dB

--quality 5
SV 7.0, Profile 'Standard'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 20.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Dual
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior + enhanced (2/6 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: Klemm/Busch 2(35), Max ATH: 76 dB, Offset: +0 dB
Minimum Signal-to-Mask : 1.0 dB

--quality 4
SV 7.1, Profile 'Radio'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 16.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo when superior
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +6 dB @20 kHz(14), Max ATH: 82 dB, Offset: +6 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 5.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 15.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 0.25

--quality 3
SV 7.1, Profile 'Thumb'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 13.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, reduced imaging (-3 dB)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +12 dB @20 kHz(13), Max ATH: 88 dB, Offset: +12 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 3.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 12.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 1.00

--quality 2
SV 7.1, Profile 'Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 10.5 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, much reduced imaging
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +30 dB @20 kHz(10), Max ATH: 94 dB, Offset: +18 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 2.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 9.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 3.00

--quality 1
SV 7.1, Profile 'below Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 8.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, destroyed imaging (unusable)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +30 dB @20 kHz(10), Max ATH: 100 dB, Offset: +24 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : 0.5 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 6.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 8.00

--quality 0
SV 7.1, Profile 'below Telephone'

Maximum encoded bandwidth: 5.3 kHz
Adaptive Noise Shaping : max. 6th order
Clear Voice Detection : Enabled
Mid/Side Stereo : Mid/Side Stereo, destroyed imaging (unusable)
Threshold of Hearing : Model: +30 dB @20 kHz(10), Max ATH: 106 dB, Offset: +30 dB
Noise masks Tone Ratio : -1.0 dB
Tone masks Noise Ratio : 3.0 dB
PNS Threshold : 9.99


MPC Encoder 1.02 --Beta-- © 1999-2002 Buschmann/Klemm/Piecha
ERROR: Sampling frequency of 48 kHz is not supported!

--braindead
SV 7, Profile 'BrainDead'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: -12.0 dB, max: 65.0 dB)
NMT: 12.00 dB
TMN: 28.00 dB

--insane
SV 7, Profile 'Insane'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: -6.0 dB, max: 77.0 dB)
NMT: 10.00 dB
TMN: 24.00 dB
minimum SMR of 3.0 dB

--xtreme
SV 7, Profile 'Xtreme'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)
NMT: 8.00 dB
TMN: 20.00 dB

--standard
SV 7, Profile 'Standard'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: ank (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)
TMN: 17.00 dB

--radio
SV 7, Profile 'Radio'

maximum bandwidth: 15848 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +6.0 dB, max: 89.0 dB)
NMT: 5.00 dB
TMN: 14.00 dB

--thumb
SV 7, Profile 'Thumb'

maximum bandwidth: 13092 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +24.0 dB, max: 93.0 dB)
NMT: 3.00 dB
TMN: 10.00 dB
PNS possible at 1.4 kHz


MPC Encoder 1.01j --Alpha-- © 1999-2002 Buschmann/Klemm/Piecha
ERROR: Sampling frequency of 48 kHz is not supported!

--braindead
SV 7, Profile 'BrainDead'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: -12.0 dB, max: 65.0 dB)
NMT: 11.00 dB
TMN: 28.00 dB

--insane
SV 7, Profile 'Insane'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 2nd order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: -6.0 dB, max: 77.0 dB)
NMT: 9.00 dB
TMN: 24.00 dB
minimum SMR of 3.0 dB

--xtreme
SV 7, Profile 'Xtreme'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)
NMT: 8.00 dB
TMN: 20.00 dB

--standard
SV 7, Profile 'Standard'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: ank (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)

--radio
SV 7, Profile 'Radio'

maximum bandwidth: 15848 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +5.0 dB, max: 89.0 dB)
NMT: 5.00 dB
TMN: 14.00 dB

--thumb
SV 7, Profile 'Thumb'

maximum bandwidth: 10336 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: disabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +24.0 dB, max: 93.0 dB)
NMT: 3.00 dB
TMN: 4.00 dB


MP+/MPC Encoder 0.90s --ALPHA VERSION-- © 1999-2001 Buschmann/Klemm/Piecha
ERROR: Sampling frequency of 48 kHz is not supported!

--insane
SV 7, Profile 'Insane'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 2nd order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: -6.0 dB, max: 77.0 dB)
NMT: 9.00 dB
TMN: 24.00 dB
minimum SMR of 3.0 dB

--xtreme
SV 7, Profile 'Xtreme'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)
NMT: 8.00 dB
TMN: 20.00 dB

--standard
SV 7, Profile 'Standard'

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enhanced
Ltq: ank (offset: +0.0 dB, max: 83.0 dB)

--radio
SV 7, Profile 'Radio'

maximum bandwidth: 15848 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: enabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +5.0 dB, max: 89.0 dB)
NMT: 5.00 dB
TMN: 14.00 dB

--thumb
SV 7, Profile 'Thumb'

maximum bandwidth: 10336 Hz
ANS: max. 5th order
CVD: disabled
MS : enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: +25.0 dB, max: 93.0 dB)
NMT: 3.00 dB
TMN: 4.00 dB


MP+ v1.7.9c © 1999-2001 Andree Buschmann

ERROR: Sampling frequency of 48000 kHz is not supported!

-insane
StreamVersion 7, Profile: "insane"

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
MS: enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: 0.0 dB)
TMN set to 24.00 dB
NMT set to 9.00 dB
minimum SMR of 3.0 dB

-xtreme
StreamVersion 7, Profile: "xtreme"

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
MS: enhanced
Ltq: fil (offset: 0.0 dB)
TMN set to 20.00 dB
NMT set to 8.00 dB

-standard
StreamVersion 7, Profile: "standard"

maximum bandwidth: 22050 Hz
MS: enhanced
Ltq: ank (offset: 0.0 dB)

-radio
maximum bandwidth: 16537 Hz
MS: enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: 5.0 dB)
TMN set to 14.00 dB
NMT set to 5.00 dB

-thumb
maximum bandwidth: 10335 Hz
MS: enabled
Ltq: ank (offset: 25.0 dB)
TMN set to 4.00 dB
NMT set to 3.00 dB

This post has been edited by Artemis3: Feb 24 2003, 21:37


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QUOTE (CiTay @ Nov 12 2002 - 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (JohnV @ Nov 12 2002 - 07:50 AM)
You should ask CiTay, why he asks, what for people post information.. laugh.gif

Not to sound harsh, but this information is superfluous for newbies, and advanced users know how to use --verbose... also, will you keep this list updated each time a new beta comes out? No offense, just stating my opinion smile.gif

Hmm.. you have some point there.

However, imo we are going to the wrong direction, if information can't be published because of the fear of newbies. And anyway, it seems that there's not that kind of newbie tweaking tradition with MPC. MPC users seem to be generally more educated than your average Joe Xing-user.

I haven't done the table that Artemis made with 1.14 (haven't had time/enough interest). I have done it with older MPC versions. I'm just saying that I personally found it interesting, especially comparing the tmn/nmt value development through versions.

Imo what should be done instead of blocking information because of the fear of newbie missuse, is to educate people with few sentences like "these values are likely to be changed in the next versions" and "mpc presets are already highly tweaked" etc...

Another choice is to make newbie restricted areas, which means that newbies can't even read certain forums.


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- Artemis3   --verbose output of all --quality settings   Nov 9 2002, 20:24
- - westgroveg   So are you saying all quality levels (besides 11) ...   Nov 11 2002, 06:38
- - CiTay   QUOTE (westgroveg @ Nov 11 2002 - 06:38 AM)So...   Nov 11 2002, 15:12
- - Artemis3   Oops, yes i used --xlevel, simply ignore the ...   Nov 12 2002, 07:15
- - JohnV   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Nov 12 2002 - 08:15 AM)What...   Nov 12 2002, 07:50
- - CiTay   QUOTE (JohnV @ Nov 12 2002 - 07:50 AM)You sho...   Nov 12 2002, 15:32
- - guruboolez   And don't forget that Frank Klemm can in the n...   Nov 12 2002, 15:50
- - user   guruboolez: "And don't forget that Frank ...   Nov 12 2002, 16:19
- - Madrigal   QUOTE (user @ Nov 12 2002 - 10:19 AM)gurubool...   Nov 12 2002, 19:23
- - ErikS   QUOTE (Artemis3 @ Nov 9 2002 - 08:24 PM)--qua...   Nov 12 2002, 19:36
- - JohnV   QUOTE (CiTay @ Nov 12 2002 - 04:32 PM)QUOTE (...   Nov 12 2002, 23:34
- - CiTay   QUOTE (JohnV @ Nov 12 2002 - 11:34 PM)Imo wha...   Nov 12 2002, 23:53
- - user   of course, newbie restricted area, hiding informat...   Nov 13 2002, 00:07
- - JohnV   QUOTE (CiTay @ Nov 13 2002 - 12:53 AM)I think...   Nov 13 2002, 00:28
- - CiTay   Thread split (was originally in "List of reco...   Nov 13 2002, 00:40
- - JohnV   QUOTE (CiTay @ Nov 13 2002 - 01:40 AM)Thread ...   Nov 13 2002, 00:52
- - damage07   I am a newbie to MPC (this time last week I was st...   Nov 13 2002, 03:39
- - floyd   I found the table interesting. I don't see an...   Nov 13 2002, 07:28
- - ak   QUOTE (ErikS @ Nov 12 2002 - 08:36 PM)I thoug...   Nov 13 2002, 13:56
- - Artemis3   QUOTE (CiTay @ Nov 12 2002 - 07:40 PM)Thread ...   Feb 24 2003, 01:54
- - user   results sorted by past versions are very fine. pe...   Feb 24 2003, 08:47
- - mp3chan   What about quality 5.xx or 6.xx?   Feb 24 2003, 20:53
- - atici   --quality 7 --xlevel --verbose yields 22000 Hz a...   May 5 2003, 18:31
- - mithrandir   QUOTE (atici @ May 5 2003 - 12:31 PM)--qualit...   May 6 2003, 05:02
- - atici   QUOTE (mithrandir @ May 5 2003 - 11:02 PM)Not...   May 6 2003, 05:10
- - Pio2001   My 48 kHz files are recording from vinyls or tapes...   May 6 2003, 14:37


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