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Matroska support
Harpalus
post Mar 21 2006, 09:03
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What happened to Matroska (MKA) support with the newest release? I've been suddenly rendered unable to play my music collection. Is there a fix for this at all? Thanks in advance.
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post Mar 21 2006, 09:10
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You'll have to ask Toff if he's willing and has time to port foo_matroska to foobar2000 0.9.
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vlada
post Apr 9 2006, 12:56
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I already asked Toff by PM, I hope he can release foo_matroska for fb2k 0.9 soon.
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post Apr 9 2006, 15:18
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Yep i'm hoping too it's one of the only thing which make me keep my foobar 0.8.3


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post Apr 12 2006, 09:30
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Unfortunately no answer so far :-(
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mariuszn3
post Apr 12 2006, 11:07
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yup.. give us matroska support. I won't move from 0.8.3 until it'll be on 0.9. Anyway why it doesn't go with standard foobar installation (like many popular formats does)?


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post Apr 12 2006, 17:14
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QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *
yup.. give us matroska support.

Excuse me? Who is supposed to give you what and for what reason?

QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *
I won't move from 0.8.3 until it'll be on 0.9.

Hmh, tough luck for you I guess. That probably means you have to wait until the Matroska developers update their foobar2000 component to the 0.9 sdk. Maybe you should consider posting on their forums.

QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *
Anyway why it doesn't go with standard foobar installation (like many popular formats does)?

Because Matroska isn't quite as popular for use with audio only files as some people might want to believe. Furthermore afaik none of the Foobar2000 core developers have any particular interest in this format, which means it is not too likely to become part of the standard inputs.

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ayana
post Apr 12 2006, 18:56
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http://tmp.reharmonize.net/foobar/
Please use this if you can never wait for official release. (this is unofficial port)
Because bug may be still left a lot, wait for official release if you want to use stable edition.
I cannot speak in English well, so it may not be answered a question and support very much. (an attached document is in Japanese)

"Album Art Panel featuring Matroska" is a little something extra.
e.g. "matroska:cover.jpg" (wildcard* does not yet work)
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post Apr 12 2006, 19:22
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hey thank you man !

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post Apr 13 2006, 11:29
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QUOTE (picmixer @ Apr 12 2006, 06:14 PM) *
QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *

yup.. give us matroska support.

Excuse me? Who is supposed to give you what and for what reason?

QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *
I won't move from 0.8.3 until it'll be on 0.9.

Hmh, tough luck for you I guess. That probably means you have to wait until the Matroska developers update their foobar2000 component to the 0.9 sdk. Maybe you should consider posting on their forums.

QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *
Anyway why it doesn't go with standard foobar installation (like many popular formats does)?

Because Matroska isn't quite as popular for use with audio only files as some people might want to believe. Furthermore afaik none of the Foobar2000 core developers have any particular interest in this format, which means it is not too likely to become part of the standard inputs.

Sorry.. I didn't mean to sound this way. I really appreciate the work you're doing on best software music player on earth. Some day hopefully I'll add my brick to that.

I know matroska is not that popular but so far I found it as most convienient format that no other can match.
If someone's wondering why:
  • I can hold entire album in one file (whether I want to keep it in lossy or lossless format)
  • I can add whatever tags I need to it and have it in utf-8 encoding (cuesheet tags in flac are limited in this case)
  • In same file I can store any extras like cover images or videos which were on cd as well
There are surely some other benefits.. but for me it's neatness it's most pro. Of course there are lot of drawbacks as well (e.g. foobar2000 0.9 support ;-)

Ayana thanks for that post! I'm about to try it.

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post Apr 13 2006, 11:36
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QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 13 2006, 12:29 PM) *
Sorry.. I didn't mean to sound this way.


OK smile.gif
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post Apr 13 2006, 16:55
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QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 13 2006, 11:29 AM) *
  • I can hold entire album in one file (whether I want to keep it in lossy or lossless format)
  • I can add whatever tags I need to it and have it in utf-8 encoding (cuesheet tags in flac are limited in this case)
  • In same file I can store any extras like cover images or videos which were on cd as well
There are surely some other benefits.. but for me it's neatness it's most pro. Of course there are lot of drawbacks as well (e.g. foobar2000 0.9 support ;-)


I use it also to embed cuesheets in mp3 files smile.gif not very handy but pretty useful since I hate having thousands of folders in my HDD...
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post Apr 14 2006, 22:00
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QUOTE (ayana @ Apr 12 2006, 07:56 PM) *
http://tmp.reharmonize.net/foobar/
Please use this if you can never wait for official release. (this is unofficial port)
Because bug may be still left a lot, wait for official release if you want to use stable edition.
I cannot speak in English well, so it may not be answered a question and support very much. (an attached document is in Japanese)

"Album Art Panel featuring Matroska" is a little something extra.
e.g. "matroska:cover.jpg" (wildcard* does not yet work)


Hi,
thanks for publishing it. Unfortunately the plugin doesen't work with AC3. I have an MKV file with AC3 cmopressed sound. If I open (or drag&drop) it in fb2k a window will popup for a very short time a then nothing happens. MKV with MP3 sound works O.K. Do you have any idea what could be wrong?
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post Apr 15 2006, 03:20
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QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 14 2006, 05:00 PM) *
Unfortunately the plugin doesen't work with AC3. I have an MKV file with AC3 cmopressed sound [ ... snip ... ] Do you have any idea what could be wrong?

I believe the "problem" is that the AC3 component does not support the packet decoder interface, which is what is required to allow other components that add support for new containers to function properly without having to reimplement each decoder.

I believe this is a known "shortcoming", but I have no idea if the AC3 component will be updated in the near future or not.

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post Apr 15 2006, 12:07
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TrNSZ> Thanks for the answer. So there will be no support for AC3 in MKA until the foo_ac3 gets updated. I remember there was a version with packet decoder for foobar2000 v0.8. I think it was a modification from somebody in Matroska team. Do you know anythink about it?

I asked Christian by e-mail about MKA in fb2k support, but unfortunately he said, that they're not interested in updating the components anymore and that the fb2k developers should do it (I agree with him). But it seems that the player's developers ore not interested neither crying.gif

So I'd like to thank to all 3rd party developers who care about updating the components needed for Matroska playback in foobar2000. We would be lost without them.
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post Apr 15 2006, 13:55
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Just if someone is interested: Toff modified foo_ac3 for foobar2000 0.8 by kode54 and integrated a packet decoder. The modified sources are still online if somebody wants to port it to 0.9.

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post Apr 21 2006, 21:36
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QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *

I won't move from 0.8.3 until it'll be on 0.9.

Hmh, tough luck for you I guess. That probably means you have to wait until the Matroska developers update their foobar2000 component to the 0.9 sdk. Maybe you should consider posting on their forums.


Sorry, we cannot care about a single, 3rd party player anylonger. No offense, but i can't remember the Xiph guys have ever contributed to Fb2k, why should we ?
Is our stuff of lower value ?

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QUOTE (mariuszn3 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:07 PM) *

Anyway why it doesn't go with standard foobar installation (like many popular formats does)?

Because Matroska isn't quite as popular for use with audio only files as some people might want to believe. Furthermore afaik none of the Foobar2000 core developers have any particular interest in this format, which means it is not too likely to become part of the standard inputs.


Maybe matroska is still not as popular for audio as other formats, but its definitely become a new standard in video. Now, believe it or not, FB2k is slowly but steadily becoming one of the preferred audio encoding tools in the video encoding scene. This is especially true, because it can (could) open audio streams in MKV files directly, and convert them into any other audio format.

It's sad that the Fb2k programmers are completely ignoring this new user group for their software, but of course also understandable. If their own interest is not in video, why should they invest work into their (free) software to accomodate such use.

Anyhow, we are more than glad that ayana has ported foo_matroska to 0.9 standard, and promise to support him in any possible way, should he need assistance in doing that. We also offer to upload his sourcecode to our SVN, and to help distributing the plugin from our download servers.

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post Apr 22 2006, 08:03
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ChristianHJW> Thanks for publishing your statement here. foobar2000 is really popular by video enthusiasts, like me :-) and so is Matroska. Another reason for fb2k's popularity was support for DTS, which has also dissapeared. 5.1 DTS to AC3 transcoding would be a really great feature for a lot of people.

If there's anybody with some free time and knowledge, can you please port the modified foo_ac3 for the 0.9 version?
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post Apr 22 2006, 11:32
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QUOTE (vlada @ Apr 22 2006, 03:03 AM) *
ChristianHJW> Thanks for publishing your statement here. foobar2000 is really popular by video enthusiasts, like me :-) and so is Matroska. Another reason for fb2k's popularity was support for DTS, which has also dissapeared. 5.1 DTS to AC3 transcoding would be a really great feature for a lot of people.

If there's anybody with some free time and knowledge, can you please port the modified foo_ac3 for the 0.9 version?

As far as I know, foobar2000 never had support for DTS, and it never "disappeared". It was likely provided by a third party plugin using the libdca (libdts) library, which is likely illegal to distribute in the USA, and in other countries. Distributing such a plug-in/linking it from the forums here would likely violate the HA TOS.

You'll never see suppport for DTS in foobar2000 because of the legal issues, however, I believe if there was really such a big need or a large user base, someone would have ported it by now. Also, as far as I know, the whole libdca/libdts library is a mess and a hack that does not fully implement DTS decoding and has many many different versions and forks since the VLC project stopped distributing and maintaining it due to the legal issues.

It would also be my suggestion that instead of porting an older version of the foo_ac3 component to the current version of foobar2000, it would make more sense to contact the author directly and inquire about status. If I was a component author, having all sorts of hacks added to older versions of my components and having all sorts of unofficial versions floating around (probably lacking when compared to current development, bugfixes, etc.) would certaintly kill any motivation I might have for developing future versions. At least contact the author first if you want to do this kind of thing.

Just my $0.02.
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post Apr 22 2006, 16:35
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TrNSZ> Of course I contacted the author of foo_ac3, but he hasn't answered yet.

According to libdts, you're right, that it is not a finished thing, but it works. The foo_dts is an unofficial plugin for version 0.8.3, but it does it's job O.K. According to patent issues - you can say the same about foo_ac3 and also for aac or even mp3. There are companies, which own patents on these formats. I think the whole patent system needs a major revision, because the times they are a changin'. Fortunately we have no SW patents in my country.
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post Apr 22 2006, 18:58
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post Apr 30 2006, 17:09
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foo_input_matroska is released by matroska.org in future.
and I released foo_packet_decoder_ac3 that is needed to playback AC3 in MKA.
(ported from foo_ac3_pre7 )
http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/foobar2000/
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post Apr 30 2006, 20:02
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It might be a bit off- topic here, but I can understand that foobar is the first choice when it comes to transcoding. Even though I don't transcode from mkv to *, I transcode AC3 with the 5.1 to Stereo-DSP activated with foobar to Vorbis (which I mux with the video into a mkv container later).
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post Apr 30 2006, 20:08
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QUOTE (ayana @ Apr 30 2006, 06:09 PM) *
foo_input_matroska is released by matroska.org in future.
and I released foo_packet_decoder_ac3 that is needed to playback AC3 in MKA.
(ported from foo_ac3_pre7 )
http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/foobar2000/


Thank you very much for the new AC3 plugin. Basically this was the last thing I was missing in foobar2000 v0.9. I'm gonna test it right now.
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post May 4 2006, 18:58
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It works great for me. Just one small complaint: I have an album in MKA file and I added to it global tags (in MKVToolnix 1.6.5). But when I import the file to fb2k, all I get is chapter tag for track name. I have no artist, album or genre. Also all tracknumbers are set to %d. I have to set up all the tags in fb2k and then it works fine. What is the correct way to tag a whole album in Matroska? Can somebody give me an example of the XML file?
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