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is WAV normalization lossless?, such as MP3 with MP3Gain
Bourne
post Mar 19 2006, 21:10
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- Bourne   is WAV normalization lossless?   Mar 19 2006, 21:10
- - Garf   Wav normalizing is *lossy*. The reason for this ...   Mar 19 2006, 21:12
|- - Bourne   ---   Mar 19 2006, 21:29
- - Garf   Basically, no. But for what you are doing, the lo...   Mar 19 2006, 21:34
- - benski   Normalizing WAV files is "lossy" in the ...   Mar 19 2006, 21:57
- - AndyH-ha   Saying that normalization is 'lossy' is wa...   Mar 19 2006, 23:19
|- - Garf   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 20 2006, 12:19 AM)...   Mar 19 2006, 23:22
- - AndyH-ha   Its true that normalization isn't exactly a tw...   Mar 20 2006, 00:03
- - AndyH-ha   And within that 'lossy' concept, mp3gain i...   Mar 20 2006, 00:07
|- - Garf   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 20 2006, 01:07 AM)...   Mar 20 2006, 00:29
|- - audio2u   QUOTE (Garf @ Mar 20 2006, 09:29 AM)Consider ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:23
- - esa372   QUOTE (Bourne @ Mar 19 2006, 12:10 PM)My goal...   Mar 20 2006, 00:11
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 20 2006, 03:05
|- - jaktek   QUOTE (esa372 @ Mar 19 2006, 03:11 PM)QUOTE (...   Mar 20 2006, 05:40
|- - jeo   QUOTE (esa372 @ Mar 19 2006, 05:11 PM) 1)...   Apr 23 2006, 07:07
|- - singaiya   QUOTE (jeo @ Apr 22 2006, 11:07 PM) is RM...   Apr 23 2006, 17:47
|- - jeo   QUOTE (singaiya @ Apr 23 2006, 10:47 AM) ...   Apr 23 2006, 22:13
- - benski   It depends on the source material, but normalizati...   Mar 20 2006, 00:16
- - AndyH-ha   Just out of curiosity I took a CD track and normal...   Mar 20 2006, 02:04
- - kjoonlee   I don't think that can be reproduced. (edit: I...   Mar 20 2006, 02:18
- - kjoonlee   Not really. Your old tracks will be the same, but ...   Mar 20 2006, 03:10
- - kjoonlee   The Japanese term for "lossless compression...   Mar 20 2006, 04:32
- - Martin H   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 20 2006, 02:04 AM)...   Mar 20 2006, 04:51
- - AndyH-ha   Maybe I overstated reality when I said that everyo...   Mar 20 2006, 08:42
|- - Martin H   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 20 2006, 08:42 AM)...   Mar 21 2006, 00:07
- - kjoonlee   You're using straw man tactics to refute what ...   Mar 20 2006, 08:59
- - AndyH-ha   A fair comparison of what? I did a comparison of t...   Mar 20 2006, 11:57
- - AndyH-ha   This is truly broke record country. That has been ...   Mar 21 2006, 02:37
- - Farpenoodle   There should be no reason for language ninjutsu he...   Mar 21 2006, 03:37
- - AndyH-ha   It has nothing to do with subjective. It is the st...   Mar 21 2006, 04:41
- - kl33per   Actually, i'll think you find that outside the...   Mar 21 2006, 04:50
- - Farpenoodle   Well if people outside of here are referring to a ...   Mar 21 2006, 04:59
- - bryant   I'm not interested in getting into the "w...   Mar 21 2006, 06:22
- - suhrim   QUOTE (jaktek @ Mar 20 2006, 04:40 AM)If you ...   Mar 21 2006, 07:14
|- - jaktek   QUOTE (suhrim @ Mar 20 2006, 10:14 PM)QUOTE (...   Mar 21 2006, 07:56
- - AndyH-ha   QUOTE Well if people outside of here are referring...   Mar 21 2006, 08:55
- - hawkeye_p   So rounding is not discarding data (digits) accord...   Mar 21 2006, 09:05
- - stephanV   AndyH: since you have sources that back up your cl...   Mar 21 2006, 09:06
- - AndyH-ha   Put "lossy" into Google and get pages of...   Mar 21 2006, 11:21
|- - Otto42   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 21 2006, 04:21 AM)...   Mar 21 2006, 16:34
- - Big_Berny   Surely a comression is lossy if the original data ...   Mar 21 2006, 11:56
- - stephanV   AndyH-ha: Do a search for lossless-join decomposit...   Mar 21 2006, 12:16
- - Big_Berny   Yes, I know. But there isn't a difference in t...   Mar 21 2006, 12:56
- - uart   Garf essentually said in the first two replys of t...   Mar 21 2006, 14:59
- - SMT [AQP]   WTF is this so difficult to understand ? If the ch...   Mar 21 2006, 17:02
- - AndyH-ha   QUOTE Surely a comression is lossy if the original...   Mar 22 2006, 03:32
- - Farpenoodle   So what do you want to call it then? A 'sorta...   Mar 22 2006, 04:25
- - Destroid   Yuck. In the professional meaning of the word, pe...   Mar 22 2006, 07:42
- - AndyH-ha   This isn't about what I want to call a destruc...   Mar 22 2006, 07:48
- - kjoonlee   The first person who replied on this thread is a p...   Mar 22 2006, 07:57
- - Farpenoodle   They call it 'adjusting the volume?'   Mar 22 2006, 08:00
- - cliveb   This thread has developed into a rather deep philo...   Mar 22 2006, 10:43
|- - john33   QUOTE (cliveb @ Mar 22 2006, 09:43 AM)I don...   Mar 22 2006, 13:00
- - AndyH-ha   Bourne, the original inquirer, asked about CoolEdi...   Mar 22 2006, 11:22
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 22 2006, 11:22 AM)...   Mar 22 2006, 14:38
|- - audio2u   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 22 2006, 08:22 PM)...   Mar 23 2006, 04:58
- - kjoonlee   If you can't accept actual use by professional...   Mar 22 2006, 11:39
- - SMT [AQP]   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Mar 20 2006, 03:42 PM)...   Mar 22 2006, 13:49
- - smok3   from wikipedia: QUOTE Technically, reducing text s...   Mar 22 2006, 13:53
- - AndyH-ha   You people who want to debate really should make a...   Mar 23 2006, 02:18
- - kl33per   You want proof: 1. Take a audio track 2. Make a co...   Mar 23 2006, 02:32
- - Farpenoodle   So what DO they call it then? I'm willing to b...   Mar 23 2006, 03:21
- - AndyH-ha   Come-on guys, at least try to follow along so you ...   Mar 23 2006, 05:12
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 26 2006, 07:25
|- - Kees de Visser   QUOTE (Bourne @ Mar 26 2006, 08:25 AM)From wh...   Mar 26 2006, 14:28
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 26 2006, 18:31
|- - Shade[ST]   My suggestion to you, would be to abx several solu...   Mar 26 2006, 19:07
- - [JAZ]   @ Bourne: Not sure if you care any longer about t...   Mar 26 2006, 10:56
- - singaiya   bourne: if I understand you correctly, you have a ...   Mar 26 2006, 19:40
|- - Bourne   - The final burned audio in CD is going to be mod...   Mar 26 2006, 19:43
|- - Shade[ST]   it will. Another option would be to use foobar200...   Mar 26 2006, 20:00
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 26 2006, 20:04
|- - Shade[ST]   Right. 1) no. 2) I'm not too sure what you m...   Mar 26 2006, 20:14
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 26 2006, 20:43
|- - Shade[ST]   Right. It's automatically 89 db.   Mar 26 2006, 20:46
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 26 2006, 22:05
|- - Shade[ST]   QUOTE (Bourne @ Mar 26 2006, 04:05 PM)oh my.....   Mar 26 2006, 22:32
|- - Bourne   -   Mar 27 2006, 03:24
|- - Tahnru   QUOTE (Bourne @ Mar 26 2006, 09:24 PM)I wonde...   Mar 27 2006, 03:39
- - AndyH-ha   Level matching (when applied to audio or any elect...   Mar 26 2006, 20:26
- - AndyH-ha   The entire point of this thread is that the change...   Apr 23 2006, 23:28
|- - KikeG   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Apr 23 2006, 11:28...   Apr 24 2006, 10:58
- - 2Bdecided   ReplayGaining .wav files clearly isn't lossles...   Apr 24 2006, 11:32
- - chrizoo   Hi folks. I recently did some readings to find out...   Jun 22 2010, 00:21
- - chrizoo   (NEUTRAL ... continued) QUOTE (chris319 @ ht...   Jun 22 2010, 00:23
- - chrizoo   POSITIVE: QUOTE ( @ http://en.wikipedia....   Jun 22 2010, 00:24
- - chrizoo   NEGATIVE: QUOTE (dreamliner77 @ Aug 19 2005,...   Jun 22 2010, 00:28
- - chrizoo   (NEGATIVE ... continued) QUOTE (mogWai @ htt...   Jun 22 2010, 00:30
- - Axon   There's a profound amount of FAIL in the NEGAT...   Jun 22 2010, 01:54
- - [JAZ]   You may have mixed several meanings/uses of the wo...   Jun 22 2010, 19:12
|- - chrizoo   QUOTE ([JAZ] @ Jun 22 2010, 18:12...   Jun 22 2010, 19:28
- - AndyH-ha   “gain staging” is the widely used term. Most recor...   Jun 23 2010, 02:15
- - 2Bdecided   chrizoo, I appreciate that you're trying to h...   Jun 23 2010, 11:53
|- - Akkurat   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jun 23 2010, 13:53) Ye...   Jun 23 2010, 16:10
|- - Axon   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jun 23 2010, 05:53) I ...   Jun 23 2010, 20:49
|- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (Axon @ Jun 23 2010, 20:49) My perc...   Jun 24 2010, 09:58
|- - Notat   QUOTE (Axon @ Jun 23 2010, 13:49) My perc...   Jun 24 2010, 15:57
- - dv1989   Uh-oh, internet philosophy…   Jun 23 2010, 19:27
- - chrizoo   @Akkurat: good point! @2Bdecided: I largely a...   Jun 23 2010, 22:37
- - AndyH-ha   Yes, experimenting before recording for real is th...   Jun 24 2010, 08:04
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