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User opions wanted, Wavpack vs Ogg vs MPC (crippled)
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post Feb 13 2006, 16:56
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Hi,
I recently installed Rockbox firmware on my Iriver I-hp 120, and quite stoked about it, its great.
I am befuddled though, as to which lossy format to use. I know MPC is supposed to be the best at 128kbps and up, but the MPC plays but does not seek with it. I have seen posts here (at hydrgogen audio) with people saying MPC at insane may as well be considered lossless for listening purposes. Is it that good? If it is, I would go without the seeking for music.
Quality AND size are my considerations. I tend to encode my stuff at 160-220 weighing both factors. For my car steareo I used lame at 320. I can definately notice the difference between an ogg and lame at the same bitrates (Radiohead - Karma Police at 160) .

I also don't know how a lossy wavpack (which is well supported on the rockbox) compares to OGG or MPC. I'd assume in quality: 1. MPC 2. OGG 3.Wavpack, but thats just an assumption.

Would like some opinions on this and maybe an all inclusive lossy format test.
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gameplaya15143
post Feb 28 2006, 03:54
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Ogg Vorbis
see the 80kbps listening test if you think otherwise (i am assuming lower bitrates like 80kbps are more desirable for a portable)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....96&#entry312296


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post Feb 28 2006, 10:38
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QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Feb 27 2006, 06:54 PM)
Ogg Vorbis
see the 80kbps listening test if you think otherwise (i am assuming lower bitrates like 80kbps are more desirable for a portable)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....96&#entry312296
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If you're listening with something other than ears, perhaps. biggrin.gif
If you're using a 4-euro pair of headphones, even better.
If you're using a HDD portable without the two previously mentioned specialities, NEVER!!!

edit: I mocked the 80kbps desirability for portables...

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post Feb 28 2006, 16:25
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QUOTE (Martel @ Feb 28 2006, 01:38 AM)
QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Feb 27 2006, 06:54 PM)
Ogg Vorbis
see the 80kbps listening test if you think otherwise (i am assuming lower bitrates like 80kbps are more desirable for a portable)
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....96&#entry312296
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If you're listening with something other than ears, perhaps. biggrin.gif
If you're using a 4-euro pair of headphones, even better.
If you're using a HDD portable without the two previously mentioned specialities, NEVER!!!

edit: I mocked the 80kbps desirability for portables...
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Not all of us have your golden ears and whether you want to face the fact that Ogg in its latest beta can churn out some remarkingly good-sounding 80 kbps files or not is not the OP's concern. wink.gif And this is especially true for those who live active lifestyles where sound quality has even greater potential of being disrupted by environmental sounds. This makes 80 kbps Oggs a sweet spot for flash players and the sole reason I purchased a Nano 4GB (once it was announced that Rockbox was functional wink.gif).

This post has been edited by vinnie97: Feb 28 2006, 17:40
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- Progenator   User opions wanted   Feb 13 2006, 16:56
- - guruboolez   Nobody has posted any listening test at very high ...   Feb 13 2006, 17:16
- - Garf   Your information is outdated. http://www.maresweb...   Feb 13 2006, 17:19
- - Progenator   Your right about my original claim. Listening aga...   Feb 13 2006, 18:16
- - bryant   QUOTE (Progenator @ Feb 13 2006, 07:56 AM)I a...   Feb 13 2006, 18:24
- - salpro   mpc main advantage is speed of encoding and decod...   Feb 17 2006, 22:14
- - guruboolez   MPC has lost most of early advantages as superior ...   Feb 17 2006, 22:58
|- - jl47   Hi, I agree, mpc doesn't hold any quality ove...   Feb 26 2006, 13:58
|- - Yaztromo   Go with OGG. MPC is outdated and you can't se...   Feb 26 2006, 16:25
|- - user   QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Feb 26 2006, 04:25 PM)Go wi...   Feb 27 2006, 17:15
|- - Yaztromo   QUOTE (user @ Feb 27 2006, 04:15 PM)This post...   Feb 27 2006, 17:41
- - vinnie97   good to see these supposed MPC superiority claims ...   Feb 26 2006, 18:13
- - senab   The thing to think about is what you want, and how...   Feb 26 2006, 20:23
- - tman   I'm new to all this, but the thing keeping me ...   Feb 26 2006, 21:16
- - bubka   let's get into the battery life debate   Feb 26 2006, 21:46
- - gameplaya15143   Ogg Vorbis see the 80kbps listening test if you th...   Feb 28 2006, 03:54
|- - Martel   QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Feb 27 2006, 06:54 PM...   Feb 28 2006, 10:38
|- - vinnie97   QUOTE (Martel @ Feb 28 2006, 01:38 AM)QUOTE (...   Feb 28 2006, 16:25
|- - Martel   QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Feb 28 2006, 07:25 AM)Not a...   Mar 2 2006, 10:24
- - Mike Giacomelli   QUOTE I have not claimed OGG superiority in terms ...   Feb 28 2006, 04:04
|- - Yaztromo   QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Feb 28 2006, 03:04 A...   Feb 28 2006, 10:27
|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Feb 28 2006, 10:27 AM)EDIT:...   Feb 28 2006, 10:40
- - xmixahlx   why would you seek through a song? i don't ge...   Feb 28 2006, 17:29
- - senab   QUOTE (xmixahlx @ Feb 28 2006, 04:29 PM)...an...   Feb 28 2006, 18:00
- - xmixahlx   QUOTE (senab @ Feb 28 2006, 10:00 AM)QUOTE (x...   Mar 1 2006, 02:50
|- - Yaztromo   QUOTE (xmixahlx @ Mar 1 2006, 01:50 AM)also, ...   Mar 1 2006, 10:20
- - SebastianG   How about battery life ? I'm assuming MPC play...   Mar 1 2006, 11:04
|- - senab   QUOTE (SebastianG @ Mar 1 2006, 10:04 AM)How ...   Mar 1 2006, 11:24
- - senab   QUOTE (xmixahlx @ Mar 1 2006, 01:50 AM)QUOTE ...   Mar 1 2006, 11:14
- - xmixahlx   QUOTE (senab @ Mar 1 2006, 03:14 AM)Don't...   Mar 1 2006, 17:08
|- - Yaztromo   QUOTE (xmixahlx @ Mar 1 2006, 04:08 PM)QUOTE ...   Mar 1 2006, 22:23
- - senab   QUOTE (xmixahlx @ Mar 1 2006, 04:08 PM)QUOTE ...   Mar 1 2006, 17:18
- - vinnie97   Fair enough, Martel. We were coming from differe...   Mar 3 2006, 04:57


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