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Rockbox for the Ipod finally working, Well, MP3/AAC play at lease :)
vinnie97
post Jan 30 2006, 21:46
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QUOTE (kritip @ Jan 30 2006, 02:05 AM)
Glad the updater is sorted now and works with both software versions.

Just thought i'd update that i've tested vorbis, using the Lancer Vorbis Compiles and playback is absolutly faultless on transitions. Gapless playback is perfect which is fantastic news smile.gif

High encoding speed, best quality at 128kbps and pure gapless support. Vorbis and the nano, are now my two best friends. Sadly, looks like it time to re-encode my 100G FLAC collection to vorbis wink.gif
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post Jan 30 2006, 22:31
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post Jan 30 2006, 23:00
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don't rub it in...the ever-diminishing, nonreplaceable internal battery is still the suck. wink.gif

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post Jan 31 2006, 02:21
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QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 30 2006, 03:00 PM)
don't rub it in...the ever-diminishing, nonreplaceable internal battery is still the suck. wink.gif
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Its not hard to replace the battery. You can buy kits for ~30 bucks online or pay Apple to do it for you.
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post Jan 31 2006, 03:00
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QUOTE (zamel @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 PM)
Great, thanks for the effort!

Are both displays of the ipod color supported?

I have an ipod color and have a scrolling menu in rockbox, and odd colors in apple firmware.
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I have hopefully found and fixed that problem.

You'll need to download a new "bootloader-color.bin" bootloader from the iPod Installation page in the Rockbox wiki, and install it. You'll also need to upgrade your version of Rockbox itself to the latest "bleeding edge" build (which is building as I write this message).

Dave.
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post Jan 31 2006, 08:45
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QUOTE (Mike Giacomelli @ Jan 30 2006, 05:21 PM)
QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 30 2006, 03:00 PM)
don't rub it in...the ever-diminishing, nonreplaceable internal battery is still the suck. wink.gif
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Its not hard to replace the battery. You can buy kits for ~30 bucks online or pay Apple to do it for you.
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Yea, I was aware Apple would do it and neither of those options are ideal but are better than nothing. I prefer removable rechargeable batteries like in the Iaudio 5, which I've had for a year. Still, getting 3 times more the space with one of these puppies is tempting. What are peoples' experience with playback time? Also, I've heard reports that the unit lacks in bass response but that's just a solitary piece of anecdotal evidence that I've seen (maybe they had a bunk unit or bad headphones). Any thoughts on these issues from you owners?

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post Jan 31 2006, 09:53
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Not sure what Apple's default action is on battery replacements, but from my (limited) experience all iPods that have gone in for 'battery replacement' have literally just been replaced.
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post Jan 31 2006, 11:12
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QUOTE (kritip @ Jan 30 2006, 11:05 AM)
Just thought i'd update that i've tested vorbis, using the Lancer Vorbis Compiles and playback is absolutly faultless on transitions. Gapless playback is perfect which is fantastic news smile.gif
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My wife has an iPod, and lack of gapless is one of the big drawbacks. The Vorbis news is interesting, but experience with Vorbis on my Rio Karma is that it consumes battery power very quickly (due I understand to high CPU usage on decode), so I don't think this is going to be a practical solution for her.

So what would *really* be nice would be perfect gapless playback of suitably encoded MP3s (ie. ones with the additional LAME tags giving the accurate length data). Now, I see that it has been reported that this is almost working on Rockbox, but there's still a click. Is there any prospect that perfect gapless MP3 (ie. on a par with the Rio Karma) is likely to be achieved?
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post Jan 31 2006, 11:18
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The above post leads to another question for those who have Rockbox on your Nanos; how many hours of operating time were you able to achieve with Ogg playback? Perhaps it's premature to compare it with such an early release but would like to know before purchasing one of these.
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post Jan 31 2006, 11:48
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QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 31 2006, 10:18 AM)
The above post leads to another question for those who have Rockbox on your Nanos; how many hours of operating time were you able to achieve with Ogg playback?  Perhaps it's premature to compare it with such an early release but would like to know before purchasing one of these.
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http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime

looks like bare 8 hours so far... how much do you get from aac on the stock firmware? 14 hours are advertized so i guess 10 - 12?
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post Jan 31 2006, 11:50
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QUOTE (cliveb @ Jan 31 2006, 10:12 AM)
QUOTE (kritip @ Jan 30 2006, 11:05 AM)
Just thought i'd update that i've tested vorbis, using the Lancer Vorbis Compiles and playback is absolutly faultless on transitions. Gapless playback is perfect which is fantastic news smile.gif
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My wife has an iPod, and lack of gapless is one of the big drawbacks. The Vorbis news is interesting, but experience with Vorbis on my Rio Karma is that it consumes battery power very quickly (due I understand to high CPU usage on decode), so I don't think this is going to be a practical solution for her.

So what would *really* be nice would be perfect gapless playback of suitably encoded MP3s (ie. ones with the additional LAME tags giving the accurate length data). Now, I see that it has been reported that this is almost working on Rockbox, but there's still a click. Is there any prospect that perfect gapless MP3 (ie. on a par with the Rio Karma) is likely to be achieved?
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As far as I know gapless playback is perfect for LAME mp3s but seeking breaks it. Not sure though...
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post Jan 31 2006, 15:53
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Don't put too much into Rockbox runtimes on iPod so far. Though in a working state, the port is still in its early stages. The iPod CPU still runs at full throttle the entire time and uses a lot more power than it needs to.
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post Jan 31 2006, 17:53
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QUOTE (preglow @ Jan 31 2006, 07:53 AM)
Don't put too much into Rockbox runtimes on iPod so far. Though in a working state, the port is still in its early stages. The iPod CPU still runs at full throttle the entire time and uses a lot more power than it needs to.
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Can Rockbox be installed on a B&W display 4G?
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post Jan 31 2006, 18:08
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QUOTE (Zoide @ Jan 31 2006, 08:53 AM)
QUOTE (preglow @ Jan 31 2006, 07:53 AM)
Don't put too much into Rockbox runtimes on iPod so far. Though in a working state, the port is still in its early stages. The iPod CPU still runs at full throttle the entire time and uses a lot more power than it needs to.
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Can Rockbox be installed on a B&W display 4G?
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Not at the moment. The only difference between the 4G Photo/Color and the 4G B&W is the LCD - we know exactly what is needed to be done, but there is no developer working on it at the moment.

However, we do have someone working on supporting the 3G B&W - and the LCD driver for that iPod will be 95% of the work needed to support the 4G B&W.

Anyone willing to help is more than welcome...
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post Jan 31 2006, 19:48
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1. If you guys could remove any static hiss (audible with high sensitivity headphones/IEMs) from the headphone out, that would be awesome.

2. Custom EQ!!!

3. Better battery life (if possible)

Anyone who can implement these will be a super hero!
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post Jan 31 2006, 20:50
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Will the iPod Shuffle be supported by this project? I'd love to have gapless AAC/MP3 support. I figure it might be pretty easy to handle the shuffle, since there's no video driver to worry about.
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post Jan 31 2006, 20:56
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QUOTE (GodHead @ Jan 31 2006, 11:50 AM)
Will the iPod Shuffle be supported by this project? I'd love to have gapless AAC/MP3 support. I figure it might be pretty easy to handle the shuffle, since there's no video driver to worry about.
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The iPod Shuffle is a completely different device with completely different hardware to all the other iPods. The only thing it shares with other ipods is the name. There are no plans to support it in Rockbox.

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post Jan 31 2006, 21:58
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QUOTE (davechapman @ Jan 31 2006, 04:00 AM)
QUOTE (zamel @ Jan 29 2006, 03:15 PM)
Great, thanks for the effort!

Are both displays of the ipod color supported?

I have an ipod color and have a scrolling menu in rockbox, and odd colors in apple firmware.
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I have hopefully found and fixed that problem.

You'll need to download a new "bootloader-color.bin" bootloader from the iPod Installation page in the Rockbox wiki, and install it. You'll also need to upgrade your version of Rockbox itself to the latest "bleeding edge" build (which is building as I write this message).

Dave.
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Awesome! The problem is solved. The screen is OK.

Now I just have to engrave "I can play gapless vorbis on my ipod" on the back.

Fantastic!

Many thanks!

.zamel

EDIT: Just had to edit...

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post Feb 1 2006, 12:34
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Does rockbox work at all with the Alpine KCA-420i iPod adaptor?
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post Feb 1 2006, 13:14
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QUOTE (ilikedirtthe2nd @ Jan 31 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 31 2006, 10:18 AM)
The above post leads to another question for those who have Rockbox on your Nanos; how many hours of operating time were you able to achieve with Ogg playback?  Perhaps it's premature to compare it with such an early release but would like to know before purchasing one of these.
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http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime

looks like bare 8 hours so far... how much do you get from aac on the stock firmware? 14 hours are advertized so i guess 10 - 12?
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iPods tend to run for longer than Apple claims (at least within the first 6 months) so it would be closer to 15 or 16 hours. It really depends how much you play with it while it's playing music, what sort of headphones it's driving, and (if using a HD based player) whether you skip around tracks a lot.
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post Feb 1 2006, 20:54
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Well, got one of the black 4GBs just in time for my birthday...impressive. Is it just a setting misconfiguration or is the sound supposed to cut out on alternative navigation functions? I have to push play/pause, fast forward, rewind, etc. a second time to get the sound back on both ogg and mpc files. This is firmware from 2/1/06.
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post Feb 1 2006, 21:02
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QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Feb 1 2006, 11:54 AM)
Well, got one of the black 4GBs just in time for my birthday...impressive.  Is it just a setting misconfiguration or is the sound supposed to cut out on alternative navigation functions?  I have to push play/pause, fast forward, rewind, etc. a second time to get the sound back on both ogg and mpc files.  This is firmware from 2/1/06.
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That's just a bug. It will hopefully be squashed soon...
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post Feb 1 2006, 21:20
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Is there any news on how the 5G audio driver is advancing? How long did other rockbox developments last? A few years before becoming stable? or less than that? If I read correctly, Rockbox on Ipod has only been in dev for a month now -- The dev' speed is just impressive : is there an ETA on a more functional version?

Thanks (and sorry, if you get this all the time)
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post Feb 1 2006, 21:36
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QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Feb 1 2006, 01:20 PM)
Is there any news on how the 5G audio driver is advancing?  How long did other rockbox developments last?  A few years before becoming stable? or less than that?  If I read correctly, Rockbox on Ipod has only been in dev for a month now -- The dev' speed is just impressive : is there an ETA on a more functional version?

Thanks (and sorry, if you get this all the time)
Shade
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Since no one knows how the 5G audio works, I'd guess it'll be available a few weeks after someone reverse engineers it and tells a Rockbox developer how it works.

One thing I've been wondering about the 5G audio. Doesn't the PP5022 provide the DAC ? What makes the 5022 on the Nano different then the 5G?
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