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Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED
Sebastian Mares
post Jan 14 2006, 22:01
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The much awaited results of the Public, Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps are ready.

Here is the results page: http://www.maresweb.de/listening-tests/mf-128-1/results.htm



Edit 1: A description of the mentioned Nero problem can be found here: http://www.maresweb.de/nero-problem

Edit 2: For people who want to decrypt their results, here are the encoder IDs:

1 = iTunes
2 = LAME
3 = Nero
4 = Shine
5 = AoTuV
6 = WMA Professiona

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post Jan 15 2006, 17:46
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IgorC: "I think it's not good idea for cinysm like "Nero sucks" . A little respect was always welcome."
Igor, i didn't said anything like this in my post. I just said that there are a lot of problems whit Nero AAC.
Short question: is iTunes encoding MP4 too, or just M4A?
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post Jan 15 2006, 17:51
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 15 2006, 06:43 PM)
For HD-DVD or/and blu ray  players AAC will be wisely supported.
> Will?! So AAC isn't more compatible but rather will be more compatible. I didn't see AAC as audio part of these new formats. It would be a nice thing to see this becomes true smile.gif

aac isnt part of the normal audio formats in hddvd, its only part of the "rom-zone" whatever this mean. i dont even know if support is mandatory and i dunno how things are handled on bluray

even if it would be mandatory it still wouldnt necessarily mean that your hddvd player can play your aac mp4 files

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IgorC: "I think it's not good idea for cinysm like "Nero sucks" . A little respect was always welcome."
Igor, i didn't said anything like this in my post. I just said that there are a lot of problems whit Nero AAC.
Short question: is iTunes encoding MP4 too, or just M4A?
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post Jan 15 2006, 17:58
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QUOTE (bond @ Jan 15 2006, 05:51 PM)
aac isnt part of the normal audio formats in hddvd, its only part of the "rom-zone" whatever this mean. i dont even know if support is mandatory and i dunno how things are handled on bluray
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So if AAC is currently supported by less audio devices as Vorbis and if it isn't a part of big multimedia project such as SACD, HD-DVD or BRD, it's more compatible with what? lalala.gif With hope? Dreams? wink.gif I have some troubles to explain to myself some claims. huh.gif
I really like AAC, as well as Vorbis, but I must say that I'm disappointed by the industry attitude and lack of interest for AAC.

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post Jan 15 2006, 18:09
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QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 15 2006, 08:58 AM)
So if AAC is currently supported by less audio devices as Vorbis and if it isn't a part of big multimedia project such as SACD, HD-DVD or BRD, it's more compatible with what? lalala.gif With hope? Dreams? wink.gif I have some troubles to explain to myself some claims. huh.gif
I really like AAC, as well as Vorbis, but I must say that I'm disappointed by the industry attitude and lack of interest for AAC.
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That's why I said IMHO. If somebody has a audioplayer that supports only mp3 never will use aac,ogg.
Btw, can you also provide online music shops wich support OGG? AAC? MP3?
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post Jan 15 2006, 18:14
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QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 15 2006, 06:09 PM)
QUOTE (guruboolez @ Jan 15 2006, 08:58 AM)
So if AAC is currently supported by less audio devices as Vorbis and if it isn't a part of big multimedia project such as SACD, HD-DVD or BRD, it's more compatible with what? lalala.gif With hope? Dreams? wink.gif I have some troubles to explain to myself some claims. huh.gif
I really like AAC, as well as Vorbis, but I must say that I'm disappointed by the industry attitude and lack of interest for AAC.
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That's why I said IMHO.
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True. But I supposed that your opinion is surely based on objective facts. You can hardly say that AAC offers more compatible IMO if the current situation is showing the opposite.

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Btw, can you also provide online music shops wich support OGG?  AAC? MP3?

That's indeed a good point. Neither MP3 or Vorbis are compatible with online music stores. iTunes Music Store is giving a big advantage to AAC here; unfortunately for AAC, Apple's closed attitude is making WMA Standard stronger; this format is now supported by most online shops. And there are more and more companies making WMA PlaysForSure a marketing argument.
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- Sebastian Mares   Multiformat Listening Test @ 128 kbps - FINISHED   Jan 14 2006, 22:01
- - minisu   Great job! *goes decrypting*   Jan 14 2006, 22:05
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Just a quick info regarding the Nero bug - unfortu...   Jan 14 2006, 22:11
- - skelly831   Wow! awesome results, it's interesting to ...   Jan 14 2006, 22:18
- - ff123   How about making a hyperlink to the page describin...   Jan 14 2006, 22:21
- - Sebastian Mares   By the way, results that were invalid (didn't ...   Jan 14 2006, 22:22
|- - sehested   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jan 14 2006, 01:22 P...   Jan 15 2006, 04:22
- - guruboolez   Great job to everyone who participated to the test...   Jan 14 2006, 22:32
|- - Shade[ST]   The URL in the image is incorrect (www.maresweb.de...   Jan 14 2006, 22:38
|- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Jan 14 2006, 10:3...   Jan 14 2006, 22:41
|- - Shade[ST]   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jan 14 2006, 03:41 P...   Jan 14 2006, 22:45
|- - fpi   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jan 14 2006, 03:41 P...   Jan 14 2006, 23:26
|- - sehested   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jan 14 2006, 01:41 P...   Jan 15 2006, 02:26
- - Sebastian Mares   By the way, Francis noticed another problem. The s...   Jan 14 2006, 22:37
- - Lyx   Pointing out an old issue with listening-test pres...   Jan 14 2006, 22:38
|- - Shade[ST]   Also a question / comment. Is Itunes' encoder...   Jan 14 2006, 22:42
- - minisu   Ok, so this is one of my decrypted results... http...   Jan 14 2006, 22:45
|- - Shade[ST]   More comments : http://www.maresweb.de/listening-t...   Jan 14 2006, 22:49
|- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Jan 14 2006, 10:4...   Jan 14 2006, 22:51
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|- - Shade[ST]   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Jan 14 2006, 03:50 P...   Jan 14 2006, 23:31
- - IgorC   First of all great test. Thanks, Sebastian. Howev...   Jan 14 2006, 23:29
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