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fearan
post Jan 14 2006, 20:47
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I was wondering if there was a way to store album art in Wavpack files, so that a software audio player could read it and display it. If this is possible, what audio players support it, and how can it be done?
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Alex B
post Jan 24 2006, 22:51
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Just by looking the tag names "Cover Art (front)" makes more sense to me than "APIC". "Cover Art (back)", "Cover Art (inlay)" etc would be natural extensions to it. Since APE tags have nothing to do with ID3 I think the choice is free.

If there are no players that support APIC in APEv2 tags yet then the tag name that was invented by the original creator of APE tags should be considered as a standard. At least it is the only existing standard for Monkey's Audio files and perhaps for Musepack too. Because JRMC has had embedded APE v2 cover art support at least three years probably a lot of files around the globe are tagged with that standard.

Godfather 0.71 beta is a beta and probably the author would be willing change the tag if needed for getting better compatibility.


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post Jan 24 2006, 23:36
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I have found a way to display Album Art in Winamp... but it doesn't utilize APEv2 tags to get the image. I put the cover pics in the album folder and downloaded a winamp plugin that can make use of that. I did the same for foobar2000.
here they are:


Winamp: http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=138586

Foobar2000: (i don't remember where i got it, but it wasn't at hydrogenaudio... the link was broken when i tried it.)
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post Jan 26 2006, 03:08
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QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 24 2006, 05:36 PM)
I have found a way to display Album Art in Winamp... but it doesn't utilize APEv2 tags to get the image.  I put the cover pics in the album folder and downloaded a winamp plugin that can make use of that.  I did the same for foobar2000. 


Storing the album art files in the same folder is one solution, and some people are okay with mixing jpegs in with their music. However, this approach only works if you're careful about naming the pictures properly, or you keep your music directory organized in certain ways (e.g., by CD).

The average listener just wants to play a song and see the cover art pop up automatically, without fiddling with multiple files. Embedding the art in tags is the easiest way of doing this, even if you do lose a (very small) amount of disk space from inserting the same picture multiple times.

After all, if lossless codecs like Wavpack or Monkey's Audio are ever going to broaden their appeal beyond a small community of enthusiasts, they need to offer the same (or similar) features as more popular lossy formats like MP3 or iTunes AAC. Embedded cover art is an example of such a feature.

Therefore, it's good to see the developers hashing out the details of cover art in APEv2 tags right now, while lossless audio is still in its adolescence, instead of letting this idea sit on the back burner any longer. cool.gif
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post Jan 26 2006, 03:24
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QUOTE (SoldierAnt @ Jan 25 2006, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 24 2006, 05:36 PM)
I have found a way to display Album Art in Winamp... but it doesn't utilize APEv2 tags to get the image.  I put the cover pics in the album folder and downloaded a winamp plugin that can make use of that.  I did the same for foobar2000. 


Storing the album art files in the same folder is one solution, and some people are okay with mixing jpegs in with their music. However, this approach only works if you're careful about naming the pictures properly, or you keep your music directory organized in certain ways (e.g., by CD).

I set up the program so that it will display any picture in the folder. In my case, there is only one picture per folder, so this works quite well. I also keep my music organized by "My Music\Artist\Album\##. Title.wv". This is very organized, and winamp's media library loves it.
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The average listener just wants to play a song and see the cover art pop up automatically, without fiddling with multiple files.  Embedding the art in tags is the easiest way of doing this, even if you do lose a (very small) amount of disk space from inserting the same picture multiple times.

I actually did embed album art in each file, in addition to saving the picture in the folder.
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After all, if lossless codecs like Wavpack or Monkey's Audio are ever going to broaden their appeal beyond a small community of enthusiasts, they need to offer the same (or similar) features as more popular lossy formats like MP3 or iTunes AAC.  Embedded cover art is an example of such a feature. 

Wavpack is very versatile, as shown in the wiki. That's why I chose it. I only wish it had player support! I'd buy one... and besides, APEv2 is the component that needs to support album art, not the codec itself.
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Therefore, it's good to see the developers hashing out the details of cover art in APEv2 tags right now, while lossless audio is still in its adolescence, instead of letting this idea sit on the back burner any longer. cool.gif
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I think it should be up to APEv2 developers to embed album art in their tag, and I think that the lossless codecs should just implement the latest version of the tag, rather than codec-specific developers working on a tag system. That way, all codecs would have the same support for the same tags, making the efficiency and features of the codec the only thing the codec developers need to worry about, imho.
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- fearan   Embedded Album Art with WavPack   Jan 14 2006, 20:47
- - bryant   QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 14 2006, 11:47 AM)I was w...   Jan 15 2006, 01:47
- - SoldierAnt   According to this page, the latest Godfather beta ...   Jan 16 2006, 02:50
|- - fearan   QUOTE (SoldierAnt @ Jan 15 2006, 08:50 PM)Acc...   Jan 18 2006, 02:15
- - Caroliano   You can put Wavpack in Matroska also, but I don...   Jan 16 2006, 04:18
- - SoldierAnt   I just tried it, and the Godfather 0.71 beta will ...   Jan 16 2006, 09:35
|- - fearan   QUOTE (SoldierAnt @ Jan 16 2006, 03:35 AM)I j...   Jan 18 2006, 02:20
- - spoon   >"Cover art support for APEv2 tags (using ...   Jan 16 2006, 10:51
|- - fearan   QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 16 2006, 04:51 AM)>...   Jan 18 2006, 02:31
|- - fearan   QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 17 2006, 08:31 PM)QUOTE (...   Jan 22 2006, 02:16
- - DARcode   As pointed out by guruboolez the Winamp WavPack pl...   Jan 24 2006, 11:13
|- - bullinchinashop   QUOTE (DARcode @ Jan 24 2006, 05:13) As p...   Mar 16 2007, 00:08
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (bullinchinashop @ Mar 16 2007, 01...   Mar 16 2007, 14:48
- - Alex B   QUOTE (bryant @ Jan 15 2006, 02:47 AM)QUOTE (...   Jan 24 2006, 13:55
- - Alex B   It seems that the GodFather developer has chosen a...   Jan 24 2006, 14:51
- - Alex B   Just by looking the tag names "Cover Art (fro...   Jan 24 2006, 22:51
|- - fearan   I have found a way to display Album Art in Winamp....   Jan 24 2006, 23:36
||- - SoldierAnt   QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 24 2006, 05:36 PM)I have ...   Jan 26 2006, 03:08
|||- - fearan   QUOTE (SoldierAnt @ Jan 25 2006, 09:08 PM)QUO...   Jan 26 2006, 03:24
||- - audioaficionado   QUOTE (fearan @ Jan 24 2006, 15:36) I hav...   Jul 4 2006, 01:44
||- - gfngfgf   QUOTE (audioaficionado @ Jul 3 2006, 17:4...   Jul 4 2006, 04:35
|- - soiaf   QUOTE (Alex B @ Jan 24 2006, 10:51 PM)Because...   Jan 24 2006, 23:49
|- - Alex B   QUOTE (soiaf @ Jan 25 2006, 12:49 AM)Do you h...   Jan 25 2006, 00:39
||- - soiaf   QUOTE (Alex B @ Jan 25 2006, 12:39 AM)I added...   Jan 25 2006, 01:08
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|- - skamp   QUOTE (dutch109 @ Jun 26 2013, 23:36) Pro...   Jun 27 2013, 09:03
- - spoon   >"Because JRMC has had embedded APE v2 cov...   Jan 25 2006, 10:52
|- - Alex B   QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 25 2006, 11:52 AM)... anyo...   Jan 25 2006, 14:03
- - DARcode   No dev having a look into this yet?   Jan 30 2006, 12:32
- - ChristianHJW   Album Art is already possible for Wavpack when bei...   Jan 30 2006, 19:44
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Jan 30 2006, 08:44 PM)A...   Feb 1 2006, 10:50
- - beto   matroska with wavpack does not playback in foobar....   Jan 30 2006, 20:32
- - ChristianHJW   'Somebody' had to code a wavpack packet de...   Jan 30 2006, 23:08
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Jan 31 2006, 12:08 AM)...   Feb 1 2006, 10:55
|- - ChristianHJW   QUOTE (DARcode @ Feb 1 2006, 09:55 AM)Okay, I...   Feb 5 2006, 16:23
- - DARcode   Anyone has tested Mp3tag's behaviour in this r...   Feb 5 2006, 15:07
|- - Florian   QUOTE (DARcode @ Feb 5 2006, 03:07 PM)Anyone ...   Feb 5 2006, 15:24
|- - Florian   QUOTE (Ganymed @ Feb 5 2006, 03:24 PM)QUOTE (...   Feb 11 2006, 21:58
|- - DARcode   QUOTE (Ganymed @ Feb 11 2006, 10:58 PM)QUOTE ...   Feb 12 2006, 18:06
- - DARcode   Dunno if it's already been noticed, but as of ...   Jul 3 2006, 23:28
|- - Alex B   QUOTE (DARcode @ Jul 4 2006, 01:28) Dunno...   Jul 4 2006, 15:17
- - audioaficionado   Thanx for that prettypop link. The only bug for m...   Jul 4 2006, 05:30
- - DARcode   Mighty glad you had a look into this again Alex B,...   Jul 5 2006, 00:47
|- - dobo   QUOTE (DARcode @ Jul 4 2006, 23:47) Might...   Jul 20 2007, 19:50
- - steve3386   I am ripping my CD's to WavPack images and Lam...   Apr 18 2007, 09:23
- - Night Surfer   My Kenwood HD30GB9 can embed art, edit tags (using...   May 12 2007, 04:05
- - dssme   what about tagscanner? http://www.xdlab.ru/en/in...   May 23 2007, 15:48
- - emkey08   Hello all, I'm currently working on a free ge...   May 25 2007, 11:13
- - emkey08   Never mind, I found out myself. It's simply a...   May 25 2007, 11:38
- - spoon   Except JRMC has been tagging Monkeys audio files w...   May 25 2007, 21:32
|- - emkey08   QUOTE (spoon @ May 25 2007, 22:32) Except...   May 26 2007, 15:11
- - spoon   Yes, as Matt who invented apev1 and monkeys audio,...   May 26 2007, 17:37
- - Florian   Just wanted to let you know that the current Devel...   Jul 15 2007, 13:38
|- - TBeck   QUOTE (Florian @ Jul 15 2007, 13:38) Just...   Jul 15 2007, 14:05
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|- - The Link   QUOTE (Florian @ Jul 15 2007, 14:38) Just...   Jul 15 2007, 15:26
- - Fandango   So what's the current status of "cover ar...   Jul 18 2007, 20:00
- - spoon   The godfather way is no standard if you ask me, th...   Jul 18 2007, 21:37
|- - scthom   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 18 2007, 13:37) The go...   Jul 20 2007, 02:41
- - Bourne   but how to display this natively from wv files whi...   Jul 20 2007, 23:43
- - Mangix   not possible unless the foo_uie_albumart plugin is...   Jul 21 2007, 00:05
- - =]ston3y[=   Will embedding and extracting images ever be suppo...   Oct 21 2007, 14:11
- - SamHain86   Is there a good way to get these album images to b...   Nov 8 2007, 16:44
- - bryant   The command-line encoder cannot currently embed co...   Nov 8 2007, 20:24
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- - db1989   ‘Just because’ would be a good enough ...   Jun 26 2013, 12:22
- - db1989   Well then, again: file-typing, I guess.   Jun 27 2013, 12:53


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