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Shade[ST]
post Dec 12 2005, 17:06
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Hello!

After assisting like many of you on the controversy of guruboolez' tests concerning the Nero AAC encoders and having seen many suggestions towards preparing a listening test around 48kbps - in particular with the different HE encoders, I decided to take matters into my own hands.
I currently have 8 samples testing for tonality, transients and stereo separation. These are generally classical music, but also include electronic music, 80s pop, and I might add a jazz recording for ambience reproduction.
As for encoders, I'm stumped.

Should I also include an old version of nero (old being relative) as to see the progress in a general evaluation ? At this bitrate, many encoders is not really a problem, is it? For now, I was thinking :

-Nero AAC Tape / PNS Enabled / HE / High (Should I enable hint track?)
-Ogg Vorbis, latest AoTuV, q -2 to -4 (whatever's approximately the same bitrates ~42-53)
-Lame ABR 48 (any tunings suggested?)
-mp3pro, probably, at any close bitrate I can achieve (adobe audition's encoder)
-Itunes AAC (HE if available)
-CT encoder (winamp 5.12) 48kbps, HE.

If I should use an older nero as well, where can I find it?

Also, could anyone help me prepare the ABC/HR logs? (eg, Sebastian Mares)
Thanks in advance,
Tristan.
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Sebastian Mares
post Dec 12 2005, 17:52
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I think the whole thing is too rushed. Personally, I would check what people want more and then start the "advanced" discussion about encoders, samples, settings...
  • 128 kbps extension test featuring ATRAC3, MusePack and WMA Standard (later might be problematic because of the settings)
  • Low bitrate (32/48/64 kbps) multiformat test
  • Low bitrate (32/48/64 kbps) AAC test
I would also wait until the end of January and check if Apple has an HE-AACv2 encoder ready.

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post Dec 12 2005, 18:22
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QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Dec 12 2005, 06:52 PM)
Personally, I would check what people want more and then start the "advanced" discussion about encoders, samples, settings...[list]
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post Dec 12 2005, 18:24
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QUOTE (naylor83 @ Dec 12 2005, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Dec 12 2005, 06:52 PM)
Personally, I would check what people want more and then start the "advanced" discussion about encoders, samples, settings...[list]
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We all know how that would end... Just be an enlightened dictator Shade, and use your wisdom.
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The result of the "Fifth competitor..." poll was pretty clear, so I see nothing wrong in running a poll again.

Edit 1: Also, so far, I see you have six encoders in mind. If you include an older version of Nero, that makes seven - without any anchor. That is too much, so I would sort out some of the encoders leaving only five and a high anchor - maybe the 128 kbps winner?

And sure, I can help you set up the ABC/HR configuration files. Do you have ICQ or another IM client, Shade[ST]?

Edit 2: Is there any major difference between the mp3PRO encoder included in Nero and the one from Audition?

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- Shade[ST]   48 kbps listening test, pretest discussion thread   Dec 12 2005, 17:06
- - guruboolez   Is it a collective listening test or a personal ex...   Dec 12 2005, 17:10
|- - Shade[ST]   QUOTE (guruboolez @ Dec 12 2005, 10:10 AM)Is ...   Dec 12 2005, 17:14
- - guruboolez   Isn't it a bit premature to start a new pretes...   Dec 12 2005, 17:16
- - Ivan Dimkovic   If it is a collective test, may I ask for delaying...   Dec 12 2005, 17:16
|- - Shade[ST]   QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Dec 12 2005, 10:16 AM)...   Dec 12 2005, 17:20
|- - naylor83   QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Dec 12 2005, 06:2...   Dec 12 2005, 17:46
- - Sebastian Mares   I think the whole thing is too rushed. Personally,...   Dec 12 2005, 17:52
|- - naylor83   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Dec 12 2005, 06:52 P...   Dec 12 2005, 18:22
||- - Sebastian Mares   QUOTE (naylor83 @ Dec 12 2005, 06:22 PM)QUOTE...   Dec 12 2005, 18:24
||- - naylor83   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Dec 12 2005, 07:24 P...   Dec 12 2005, 18:34
||- - Shade[ST]   I was thinking maybe about making LAME the low anc...   Dec 12 2005, 21:20
|- - user   QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Dec 12 2005, 05:52 P...   Dec 14 2005, 12:00
- - Sebastian Mares   Regarding the encoders again - personally, I would...   Dec 12 2005, 18:32
|- - Latexxx   I'd personally drop mp3pro because its margina...   Dec 12 2005, 21:35
|- - dimzon   QUOTE (Latexxx @ Dec 13 2005, 12:35 AM) mp3 (...   Dec 13 2005, 09:38
- - Gambit   With all respect, Shade[ST], this is a really bad ...   Dec 12 2005, 21:17
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|- - naylor83   QUOTE (Shade[ST] @ Dec 13 2005, 05:0...   Dec 13 2005, 10:10
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE don't forget about 3GP reference encoder...   Dec 13 2005, 10:42
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- - Ivan Dimkovic   But @Gabriel, do you think that the 32kbps resutls...   Dec 13 2005, 13:13
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|- - IgorC   It wil be good to see not only music samples but a...   Dec 13 2005, 19:40
|- - Halcyon   Before you start any test, I suggest you take the ...   Dec 13 2005, 21:24
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Gabriel and I discussed these ideas - and we will ...   Dec 14 2005, 12:43
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