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Sony BMG's copy protection shows rootkit-behavior, Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far
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post Nov 3 2005, 00:14
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Update:

Sony to let antivirus companies in on DRM code

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post Nov 3 2005, 01:13
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So, what i meant with my ealier quote was not just "dont buy it", but "dont consume it".

I think that we as listeners to bands we really like (or care for) should also talk about all these issues to them.


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post Nov 3 2005, 14:07
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This has made the BBC News smile.gif http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4400148.stm
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post Nov 3 2005, 15:29
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QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Nov 3 2005, 05:07 AM)



Very badly written, IMHO, too. Although all the main points are covered its so 'balanced' any 'uninformed' casual reader would really have to think hard to realise what all the 'fuss' is about.

This 'balanced journalism', of course, doesn't rear its head unless theirs a strong corporate or governmental interest involved.
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post Nov 3 2005, 16:17
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QUOTE (quackalist @ Nov 3 2005, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Nov 3 2005, 05:07 AM)



Very badly written, IMHO, too. Although all the main points are covered its so 'balanced' any 'uninformed' casual reader would really have to think hard to realise what all the 'fuss' is about.

This 'balanced journalism', of course, doesn't rear its head unless theirs a strong corporate or governmental interest involved.
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I would have to disagree here. I have for the most part been impressed with BBC News. It strives to be unbiased and balanced. I don't think this is a case of outside interests. Moreover just good journalism. It leaves the reader a chance to form their own opinions.
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post Nov 3 2005, 20:20
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QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Nov 3 2005, 07:17 AM)
QUOTE (quackalist @ Nov 3 2005, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (Yaztromo @ Nov 3 2005, 05:07 AM)



Very badly written, IMHO, too. Although all the main points are covered its so 'balanced' any 'uninformed' casual reader would really have to think hard to realise what all the 'fuss' is about.

This 'balanced journalism', of course, doesn't rear its head unless theirs a strong corporate or governmental interest involved.
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I would have to disagree here. I have for the most part been impressed with BBC News. It strives to be unbiased and balanced. I don't think this is a case of outside interests. Moreover just good journalism. It leaves the reader a chance to form their own opinions.
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Fair enough if you think so. However, read this peice of journalism -

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27426

Which is obviously 'biased' against Sony but I think its far easer to understand Sony's response for what it is and what the issue means for consumers. One could always agree with Sony, after all, and reject all these arguments. But, without a critical perspective, from what ever point of view, journalism descends into this so called 'balanced' reporting.
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post Nov 3 2005, 20:25
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Here's more quality journalism from the Enquirer http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27315

To be honest, i thought it was only 13yr olds that used them for "news". blush.gif

anyway, journalists are supposed to be "balanced" i bet you would be bitching if they were unbalanced in sonys favor........ the words "short plank" and "thick as" spring to mind.

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post Nov 3 2005, 20:36
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laugh.gif Video game hackers are using the Sony rootkit to help them cheat -

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34
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post Nov 3 2005, 21:06
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QUOTE (Cosmo @ Nov 3 2005, 01:36 PM)
laugh.gif  Video game hackers are using the Sony rootkit to help them cheat -

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34
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Lovely, now all we have to do is just wait for someone to make it malicious.

Hopefully a future Windows Update or Service Pack will make the installation of rootkit's impossible, or at the least offer a warning -- perhaps that's just wishful thinking.


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post Nov 3 2005, 22:02
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I don't know about other laws in the world but here in Belgium any attempt at invading a persons privacy through such well-hidden things is a serious violation of the "with reasonable and appropriate measures" principle.

Perhaps some US consumer's organisation could file a complaint against them if that applies in the USA as well? It will hit Sony where it hurts, in the wallet. Since ethical arguments do not impress these people at all it seems.


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post Nov 3 2005, 22:48
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QUOTE (Andavari @ Nov 3 2005, 03:06 PM)
QUOTE (Cosmo @ Nov 3 2005, 01:36 PM)
laugh.gif  Video game hackers are using the Sony rootkit to help them cheat -

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34
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Lovely, now all we have to do is just wait for someone to make it malicious.

Hopefully a future Windows Update or Service Pack will make the installation of rootkit's impossible, or at the least offer a warning -- perhaps that's just wishful thinking.
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Sony has released a tool to allow removal of this stuff: http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
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post Nov 3 2005, 23:04
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QUOTE (Danimal @ Nov 3 2005, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE (Andavari @ Nov 3 2005, 03:06 PM)
QUOTE (Cosmo @ Nov 3 2005, 01:36 PM)
laugh.gif  Video game hackers are using the Sony rootkit to help them cheat -

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34
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Lovely, now all we have to do is just wait for someone to make it malicious.

Hopefully a future Windows Update or Service Pack will make the installation of rootkit's impossible, or at the least offer a warning -- perhaps that's just wishful thinking.
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Sony has released a tool to allow removal of this stuff: http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
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Did you read all the posts in this thread? If not read the quote in GeSomeone's post:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ndpost&p=338971


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post Nov 4 2005, 11:37
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im not sad about my pc to be infected , but the way that music industry turn into

now we don't care about the quality of music but we will if the cd is DRMed or not sad.gif
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post Nov 4 2005, 22:54
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Saw In Yahoo this morning that SONY has admitted error and posted a fix. Go Mark! cool.gif


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post Nov 5 2005, 06:33
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QUOTE (za3zoo3 @ Nov 4 2005, 06:37 AM)
im not sad about my pc to be infected , but the way that music industry turn into

now we don't care about the quality of music
Who is "we"? Surely not all the peope who posted in threads like Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?, How much stereo crosstalk to degrade imaging?, Resampling and Dither and countless others.

QUOTE (za3zoo3 @ Nov 4 2005, 06:37 AM)
but we will if the cd is DRMed or not  :(
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Either you started reading with the latest post or English is not your mother tongue; this thread went totally over your head.
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post Nov 6 2005, 02:31
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QUOTE (Never_Again @ Nov 4 2005, 11:33 PM)
QUOTE (za3zoo3 @ Nov 4 2005, 06:37 AM)
im not sad about my pc to be infected , but the way that music industry turn into

now we don't care about the quality of music
Who is "we"? Surely not all the peope who posted in threads like Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?, How much stereo crosstalk to degrade imaging?, Resampling and Dither and countless others.

QUOTE (za3zoo3 @ Nov 4 2005, 06:37 AM)
but we will if the cd is DRMed or not  sad.gif
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Either you started reading with the latest post or English is not your mother tongue; this thread went totally over your head.
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about my english is not native language and i speak it bad but you didn't get my point at all dry.gif


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Who is "we"? Surely not all the peope who posted in threads like Whats is the worst mastered CD [your opinions] ?, How much stereo crosstalk to degrade imaging?, Resampling and Dither and countless others.


i mean by we is people in general not we on this forum as you specify

yes there is countless thread about quality here but what the rate you give compare to zillion of people who listen to the music with lovely source like p2p and careless about the retail albums


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but we will if the cd is DRMed or not  sad.gif


i mean now the protection scheme take the attention of people much more and its bad for music to go that way


now that common fot people to say go to p2p instead of buying cd's and you know the difference between them

so it better for the music industry to talk about the quality rather than "protected or not" i call it (DRMed but obviously you didn't like it smile.gif )

just i hope greedy companies to not make us acquire license for every single "listen" crying.gif or infect our pc to protect their sale (actually its done)


i hope you understand what i mean with that terrible grammar smile.gif
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post Nov 8 2005, 00:23
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Good news...Sony is being sued

Sony sued over DRM "rootkit"


Also...Sony still does not want to make an unistaller readily available

Mark's Sysinternals Blog

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The uninstall question on Sony’s FAQ page directs you to another page that asks you to fill out a form requesting for uninstall directions to be emailed to you. There’s no way to access the uninstaller without providing this information, and clicking on the Sony privacy policy link at the bottom of the page takes you to a notice that your email address can be added to various Sony marketing lists.
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but the rootkit issue only came to light recently, thanks to Mark Russinovich, a systems expert with a flawless understanding of Windows’ internal workings and questionable musical tastes.

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Well, about the uninstaller and marketing lists problems, we can just say that they never learn.


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post Nov 8 2005, 21:22
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Gotta see these Amazon reviews... wink.gif
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post Nov 8 2005, 22:14
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If you avoid installing the rootkit, has anyone tried ripping from one of these CDs? Does it work?
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post Nov 9 2005, 22:40
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QUOTE (dano @ Nov 8 2005, 12:22 PM)
Gotta see these Amazon reviews... wink.gif
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They are beautiful. Nothing related to the music, but just to the DRM issue.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=music&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=music&n=507846


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post Nov 10 2005, 20:34
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The first malware taking advantage of this has been released: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051110/wr_nm/sony_hack_dc
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QUOTE (Danimal @ Nov 10 2005, 01:34 PM)
The first malware taking advantage of this has been released: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051110/wr_nm/sony_hack_dc
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I didn't think it would take long for malware writers to take advantage of it, and I was spot-on.


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There are now 3 concurrent lawsuits against Sony, the one in Italy (already mentioned) and two in the US.

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post Nov 11 2005, 18:50
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- Panda Software's weekly report on viruses and intruders -
Virus Alerts, by Panda Software (http://www.pandasoftware.com)

Madrid, November 11 2005 - This week's report looks at a backdoor Trojan
-Ryknos.A-, three vulnerabilities in the Windows graphics rendering
engine, a worm -Lupper.A-, and a Trojan -Zagaban.H-.

Ryknos.A is a backdoor Trojan that opens port 8080 and connects to
several IP addresses to receive remote control commands -such as
downloading or running files- to take on the affected computer.

Ryknos.A installs itself on the Windows system directory under the name
"$SYS$DRV.EXE". In this way, in systems with Sony Digital Rights
Management software installed, it uses the rootkit included with this
software to hide any file whose name starts with "$SYS$" from Windows
Explorer.


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