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Vinyl distorsion, 9 samples
Pio2001
post Sep 24 2005, 22:25
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I compiled samples recorded from vinyl. I tried to get the most characteristic vinyl sounds I could.

I've proposed them on two french forum and I'm currently gathering comments about them. I think it might be of interest here too. Some of them are already known by old forumers.


Sample 1 (The Legendary Pink Dots, PIAS)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...on/001%2011.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...on/002%2012.mpc

Sample 2 (Depeche Mode, Mute)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ion/003%202.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ion/004%203.mpc

Sample 3 (The Legendary Pink Dots, PIAS)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...on/005%2021.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...on/006%2022.mpc

Sample 4 (Depeche Mode, Mute)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...Balance2-FR.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...alance2-int.mpc

Sample 5 (Depeche Mode, Mute)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...Balance-INT.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files.../Balance-RE.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files.../Balance-UK.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files.../Balance-US.mpc
If someone has got the CD "Catching up with Depeche Mode", or "The Singles 81-85" on which the four band members appear, it would be interesting to add a sample taken from it.

Sample 6 (Cocteau Twins, 4AD)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...tortion/CT1.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...tortion/CT2.mpc

Sample 7 (Xymox, Polygram/Polydor)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ion/Evelyn1.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ion/Evelyn2.mpc

Sample 8 (Depeche Mode, Mute)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...rtion/luste.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...rtion/lusts.mpc

Extrait 9 (RMB, Le Petit Prince)
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ortion/rmb1.mpc
http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ortion/RMB2.mpc

Unfortunately, I have no comparison basis for typical vinyls of the late 90'. I would be interested if someone owned Photek - Modus Operandi in CD.

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post Sep 25 2005, 00:28
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Are these CD vs. vinyl samples?
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post Sep 25 2005, 08:53
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They seem to be CD/vinyl versions. Some clips pretty obviously have surface noise and some don't.

Good god, how are you getting rips this clean!?! Phenomenal. This is yet another reason why I'll need to shell out more tuning gear for my vinyl setup, hehe. All following observations are subjective although I'm pretty confident I could ABX them.

Evelyn1 has some balance issues (soundstage is notably moved to the left) although they don't seem to be audible towards the end.

rmb1 has some weird treble/HF issues I can't really describe well. The treble seems considerably tamed/darkened with respect to rmb2, but at the same time its higher treble registers are somehow distorted a bit. I think I may have noticed this on some other clips too.

balance-uk has surface noise that only seems audible in the left channel.

Is it me, are are both "A Question Of Lust" clips clipping hard? I don't remember the original CD pressing to be nearly that distorted/clipping.

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post Sep 25 2005, 14:20
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QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Sep 25 2005, 01:28 AM)
Are these CD vs. vinyl samples?
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Most of them, yes, but not all.

QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 25 2005, 09:53 AM)
Good god, how are you getting rips this clean!?! Phenomenal.
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I think that it's too late for you. Your best move would have been to buy the records brand new in the 80'. Second hand records usually have surface noise.

The balance problem might be an antiskating problem with my cartridge. It should be 5 grams, but the antiskating control don't go past 3 grams. I pulled the spring so as to increase it, but it seems not to be enough.
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post Sep 25 2005, 18:48
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As I mentioned in the other thread, I bought a brand new Autechre LP a few months ago, and the very first play sounded much worse than that. I'll need to post some clips of that too.
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Pio2001
post Sep 25 2005, 20:04
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I said "in the 80'" biggrin.gif
Nowadays LPs are clipped and distorded. The quality dropped down in the mid 90'.
The last hifi LP that I bought were the ones from EyeQ records in 1994.

At least that's what I could see, judging from the few ones I got in electronic music.
On the other hand, I've heard of some classical or jazz labels that still issue audiophile vinyls.
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post Sep 25 2005, 23:00
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New audiophile vinyl seems to be getting to be a largish segment of that market. I haven't put any money out for samples myself, but a little reading suggests there are a fair number of companys really trying for top quality. It would be interesting to experiment with if it wasn't so expensive.
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post Sep 27 2005, 00:51
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What comments did you obtain in the French forum? Did they correlate at all with the comments here?

FWIW, I have the CD version of Untilted too so I'll probably be uploading some samples myself soon.
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post Sep 27 2005, 11:47
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I'm still waiting for some reactions today. Then I'll post the results.
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post Sep 27 2005, 11:59
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the Madonna album ray of light is a good piece of music as well on vinyl, and on CD, which is probably wider spread, sold.

Maybe you can get that album, and compare it, too.
Even an "audiophile" german hifi magazine (Stereoplay) rated the madonna vinyl as one of the best 50 vinyl albums ever released.


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post Sep 28 2005, 23:05
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I'm now processing the answers. This week have been very busy for me, and it's not going to improve soon, so I already give the URL of the raw results : http://perso.numericable.fr/laguill2/files...ion/Results.xls

This is a Microsoft Excel file with the comments of the listeners. Most of them are french, but you can easily see what file is CD and what is Vinyl (LP, EP, or 7").

I have got 12 answers from harware.fr (forum currently offline), 1 from homecinema-fr.com, and 1 from Hydrogenaudio.org.

Thank you very much to everyone who answered.
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post Sep 29 2005, 02:29
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Thanks a lot. Im eagerly awaiting the final results, but until then I will just run the spreadsheet through Google Translate (which is delivering rather reasonable results). From my initial view, it seems that a lot of other people picked up on the varying brightnesses of the different pressings of "Balance", which I just thought was normal and not worth commenting on.
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post Oct 21 2005, 18:49
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Here are the final results : http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/VideoS...jet-87812-1.htm

The text is in french, but you can see the frequency response plots without having to speak french.
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