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Woodinville
post Sep 15 2005, 20:35
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( I think this is the right forum, I'm trying, at least, to get this right. )

Like some other old folks here, I have a lot of LP's that I would like to move over to my computer.

There are several issues.
First, it has to happen in real time, no faster. This is quite profoundly annoying.
Second, I'd like to be able to get things like album art, etc, by entering the catalog number or something like that, or searching CD databases, perhaps, for the info, although often tracks are different, moved, or present/missing.
Third, I'd like to process the stuff on the fly, using the sound card's analog level adjustment to keep me in a decent dynamic range, but providing some space for overloads.
Fourth, I'd like to be able to run things like de-clicking, de-noising, etc.
Fifth, I'd like to stuff that all into .wma Q90

Does anybody make anything like this?

You may assume I own:
A good turntable
A good record cleaner
A good cartridge and stylus
A good phono preamp/general preamp

So I can get line level signals that are properly equalized into my sound card, in fact using balanced lines so that I can even get some noise rejection.


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NogginJ
post Sep 22 2005, 15:28
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something tells me autechre werent using mics and/or preamps ;]. too passe for those guys.

as for ripping, i always say im ripping records, ripping cds, ripping tapes. putting media into digital form i consider 'ripping'.

i think this discussion rules...coincidentaly i have over the past few days been ripping my vinyl to my harddrive and burning to cd. id like some feedback on the pros/cons of my process:

im using a stanton str8-100 with the spdif digital coax output to my soundcard.
using a shure whitelabel cartridge, brand new (but broken in).
recording to wav file, then burning to audio cd.

does anyone have any experience with the digital tables? I know that alot of quality now depends on the a/d converter within the table, but i am loving the results. a friend of mine said a digital turntable was like a digital wooden spoon :].

does anyone know do i lose any quality by burning to audio cd? i have heard that cda files are just wav files with indexes or something. i would rip back to my comptuer if needed using eac.

love yall

edit: realise this aint the most audiophile friendly way to do things, but just fyi, as far as i can tell, i get pretty damn near amazing results, based on shear listening enjoyment.

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cliveb
post Sep 23 2005, 11:20
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QUOTE (NogginJ @ Sep 22 2005, 03:28 PM)
im using a stanton str8-100 with the spdif digital coax output to my soundcard.
using a shure whitelabel cartridge, brand new (but broken in).
recording to wav file, then burning to audio cd.
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Let me start off by pointing out that I don't have any personal experience with the Stanton turntable you're using, but I'll offer a few general observations.

Andy has already pointed out the possible issues with the quality of the A/D converter in the turntable versus using some other A/D converter (eg. in a soundcard).

There are some other issues to consider:

1. If you're using a Creative soundcard and recording at 44.1kHz through its SPDIF input, you're going to be the "victim" of Creative's sample rate converters, which shall we say don't exactly have the best reputation around here. You might actually be better off recording at 48kHz (if the Stanton offers that sample rate output) and sample rate converting in software later.

2. Decent A/D converter chips are actually quite cheap these days. It's quite likely that the quality of the A/D converter in the Stanton is perfectly adequate. Of far more concern to me would be the quality of the phono preamp in the Stanton. Good preamps are not free, and it would not surprise me if the one in the Stanton isn't that great.

3. Last but by no means least - in fact most important of all - is the quality of the turntable itself. The Stanton STR8-100 is a cheapish DJ type turntable. These type of turntables are built to provide facilities (eg. pitch control) and ruggedness rather than absolute sound quality. Unlike digital electronics, which can be built very cheaply due to large scale integration, turntables are mechnical devices, and as such good ones don't come cheap. I cannot believe that a $250 turntable that includes a phono preamp and an A/D converter is going to deliver anything other than average performance.

Anyone interested in doing a good job of ripping vinyl needs to think hard about acquiring a decent manual deck and a reasonable phono preamp (used ones if the budget makes it necessary). At the low end of the budget scale, belt drive is typically better than direct drive. Not because direct drive is no good, but because building *good* direct drive turntables is a significantly more expensive proposition than decent belt-drive.

(PS. The origins of the word "ripping". The original use of the word was definitely as a description for DAE from audio CDs, as Andy has already said, and it's then been applied to all other types of audio recording to computer. I suspect the term "rip" either referred to the fact that most DAE was part of the act of stealing the music (ie. "ripping it off"), or maybe because it happens faster than realtime and so one might say that DAE was a process whereby you set it up then "let it rip". Both are just guesses on my part).
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- Woodinville   "ripping" LP's   Sep 15 2005, 20:35
- - skelly831   Audiograbber mentions Line-In recording as a featu...   Sep 15 2005, 21:52
- - Axon   It is very hard to run a rip faster than realtime....   Sep 15 2005, 22:02
- - AndyH-ha   There exist a number of sites with album art that ...   Sep 15 2005, 23:00
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 15 2005, 02:00 PM)...   Sep 15 2005, 23:41
- - AndyH-ha   It is true that a good 16 bit DAC will capture all...   Sep 16 2005, 00:35
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 15 2005, 03:35 PM)...   Sep 16 2005, 06:40
- - boojum   Stylus weights: usually magnetics tracked at 1 gr...   Sep 16 2005, 01:39
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (boojum @ Sep 15 2005, 04:39 PM)Stylus ...   Sep 16 2005, 06:43
- - Axon   It's not the end of the world if all you can r...   Sep 16 2005, 02:27
- - boojum   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 15 2005, 05:27 PM)as vinyl ...   Sep 16 2005, 05:27
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (boojum @ Sep 15 2005, 08:27 PM)QUOTE (...   Sep 16 2005, 06:44
- - Axon   The Cardas Sweep Record has sweeps to 30Khz. Altho...   Sep 16 2005, 05:34
- - AndyH-ha   You want a recommendation for recording software? ...   Sep 16 2005, 08:51
|- - cliveb   Well, there have been lots of replies in this thre...   Sep 16 2005, 10:04
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (cliveb @ Sep 16 2005, 01:04 AM)Well, t...   Sep 17 2005, 11:50
- - AndyH-ha   To keep thing truthful, I looked at my miscellaneo...   Sep 16 2005, 09:45
- - toot   Does it make sense to do a normalise on the record...   Sep 16 2005, 10:21
|- - Garf   QUOTE (toot @ Sep 16 2005, 11:21 AM)Does it m...   Sep 16 2005, 10:23
- - AndyH-ha   One general reason for normalizing is to make opti...   Sep 16 2005, 11:32
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 16 2005, 11:32 AM)...   Sep 16 2005, 12:03
- - AndyH-ha   Of course the recording's noise is amplified b...   Sep 16 2005, 22:12
|- - legg   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 16 2005, 04:12 PM)...   Sep 18 2005, 22:54
|- - krabapple   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 16 2005, 01:12 PM)...   Sep 20 2005, 17:57
- - slangtruth   And while cliveb rightly won't mention it. as ...   Sep 16 2005, 22:20
- - Axon   One criticism of the "LPs only have 70db of d...   Sep 16 2005, 22:31
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 16 2005, 01:31 PM)One criti...   Sep 17 2005, 11:59
|- - Axon   QUOTE (Woodinville @ Sep 17 2005, 05:59 AM)We...   Sep 17 2005, 19:53
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 17 2005, 07:53 PM)I just ge...   Sep 18 2005, 13:48
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 17 2005, 10:53 AM)QUOTE Now...   Sep 19 2005, 05:15
- - AndyH-ha   QUOTE would be to try recording the end of Neptune...   Sep 18 2005, 22:01
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 18 2005, 10:01 PM)...   Sep 19 2005, 09:21
- - Axon   I'd like to interject here to say that so far,...   Sep 18 2005, 22:14
- - AndyH-ha   Unless I missed it, there has not been any discuss...   Sep 19 2005, 02:28
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 18 2005, 05:28 PM)...   Sep 19 2005, 05:17
- - AndyH-ha   Since I don't do anything in fixed point, none...   Sep 19 2005, 07:53
- - AndyH-ha   I think yes, if there is some difference to be hea...   Sep 19 2005, 11:25
- - DonP   One thing I didn't see mentioned about normali...   Sep 19 2005, 12:08
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (DonP @ Sep 19 2005, 03:08 AM)One thing...   Sep 19 2005, 17:55
- - Axon   What filter settings are recommended for a rumble ...   Sep 19 2005, 19:55
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 19 2005, 10:55 AM)What filt...   Sep 20 2005, 21:22
- - Axon   EDIT: Got confused by my waveform plots. There is ...   Sep 19 2005, 23:14
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 19 2005, 02:14 PM)EDIT: Got...   Sep 20 2005, 21:24
|- - Axon   QUOTE (Woodinville @ Sep 20 2005, 03:24 PM)QU...   Sep 20 2005, 22:30
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (Axon @ Sep 20 2005, 01:30 PM)An honest...   Sep 21 2005, 04:20
- - AndyH-ha   There are a number of filters in CoolEdit that can...   Sep 20 2005, 04:56
|- - Woodinville   QUOTE (AndyH-ha @ Sep 19 2005, 07:56 PM)...   Sep 20 2005, 21:25
- - AndyH-ha   Just curious. Ripping is a term often applied to d...   Sep 21 2005, 02:12
- - NogginJ   something tells me autechre werent using mics and/...   Sep 22 2005, 15:28
|- - cliveb   QUOTE (NogginJ @ Sep 22 2005, 03:28 PM)im usi...   Sep 23 2005, 11:20
- - AndyH-ha   Writing your recordings to CD-R does not involve a...   Sep 22 2005, 19:31
- - NogginJ   amen to all that. but any insight onto this ...   Sep 22 2005, 22:32
- - AndyH-ha   cda is simply the extension Windows puts on the fi...   Sep 22 2005, 23:31
- - Axon   About the only thing that I would find unnatural t...   Sep 23 2005, 11:44
- - hujay   Ripping seems to have changed it's meaning sli...   Sep 23 2005, 13:08
- - landy   i have tried to get feedback on my vinyl rips befo...   Sep 23 2005, 14:21
|- - Pio2001   QUOTE (landy @ Sep 23 2005, 03:21 PM)A1 - DJ ...   Sep 25 2005, 14:39
- - Axon   I do hear some clicking in that but it only seems ...   Sep 23 2005, 19:29
- - AndyH-ha   specific words for specific things makes for less ...   Sep 23 2005, 20:15
- - AndyH-ha   Unless Iím missing something, these recording samp...   Sep 23 2005, 21:06
- - Axon   Uh.... 7-zip? RAR support is generally available f...   Sep 23 2005, 22:17
- - landy   i used store mode so no extra compression was done...   Sep 24 2005, 01:13
- - AndyH-ha   It isn't clear to me what kind of feedback you...   Sep 24 2005, 01:53
- - landy   thanks for the reply andy and axon, i did mean to ...   Sep 24 2005, 05:01
- - AndyH-ha   Cartridges do differ but whether or not a more exp...   Sep 24 2005, 23:36
- - Axon   FWIW, apparantly the common term in some circles f...   Sep 30 2005, 17:53
- - landy   pio2001 thanks for the feedback, i have a cd versi...   Sep 30 2005, 20:07
- - mixminus1   QUOTE (landy @ Sep 30 2005, 12:07 PM)if anyon...   Sep 30 2005, 20:14


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