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FAAD2 Licensing, Now GPL Incompatible?
jstembridge
post Jul 14 2005, 10:28
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Does anyone here know what's going on with the licensing change in FAAD2 cvs? The included COPYING file is still straight GPL, but the source files include the following:

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** Software using this code must display the following message visibly in the
** software:
** "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder © Ahead Software, www.nero.com"
** in, for example, the about-box or help/startup screen.


Now, IANAL, but that seems GPL incompatible to me, as the GPL states:

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You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.


I have tried to contact Menno on the matter without any success, can anyone else cast any light/opinions?
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kode54
post Aug 15 2005, 13:17
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No PS for yuo! <owned>

Is it really so hard to add copyright attribution to your about box, or if you have none, then the accompanying documentation? I know I can't recall seeing random copyrights smattered all over some piece of electronics, but I have seen indication of relevant patents listed all over the back of some device or package...

Perhaps the license should be clarified to indicate alternatives where "in the software" is not convenient. I would be a bit miffed if I had to stare at a series of copyright notices every time I powered on my portable player. Although, I wouldn't be likely to notice or care if one of the menus were to have an About entry with a full list of version information and copyright crap.
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post Aug 15 2005, 16:21
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QUOTE (kode54 @ Aug 15 2005, 06:17 AM)
Is it really so hard to add copyright attribution to your about box, or if you have none, then the accompanying documentation? I know I can't recall seeing random copyrights smattered all over some piece of electronics, but I have seen indication of relevant patents listed all over the back of some device or package...

It really has nothing to do with that.

If I were to take FAAD2 (with this "must" clause) and some GPL software and write some application using those two, I would be unable to release that application without breaking one of the two licenses as written. I couldn't release it under the GPL (as I'd have to do having used GPL'd software) because the "must" clause in FAAD2 makes it GPL-incompatible.

It's not really about not wanting to stick attribution in where possible. No problem, the about box is a perfect place for it. But by making it mandatory like that, you're unable to release it at all because of the incompatibility.

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- jstembridge   FAAD2 Licensing   Jul 14 2005, 10:28
- - Garf   From the GPL: QUOTE 1.  You may copy and dis...   Jul 14 2005, 10:52
- - jstembridge   But that requirement applies to source code, not t...   Jul 14 2005, 11:32
- - Ivan Dimkovic   In addition, http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html...   Jul 14 2005, 11:45
- - jstembridge   QUOTE If the program is interactive, make it outpu...   Jul 14 2005, 11:54
|- - Garf   QUOTE (jstembridge @ Jul 14 2005, 12:54 PM)QU...   Jul 14 2005, 12:13
- - jstembridge   QUOTE (Garf @ Jul 14 2005, 12:13 PM)Nonsense....   Jul 14 2005, 12:27
- - Garf   This is false, I just quoted the appropriate parag...   Jul 14 2005, 12:30
- - jstembridge   No it doesn't, as it applies to source code co...   Jul 14 2005, 12:35
- - gusnz   Hmm, I'm not a lawyer, but the last part of Se...   Jul 14 2005, 12:47
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE The issue here has nothing to do with source...   Jul 14 2005, 12:52
- - jstembridge   QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Jul 14 2005, 12:52 PM)...   Jul 14 2005, 13:06
|- - Garf   QUOTE (jstembridge @ Jul 14 2005, 02:06 PM)Th...   Jul 14 2005, 13:10
- - jstembridge   Great stuff Interestingly I wonder if a xine-lib...   Jul 14 2005, 13:28
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Well.. hmm... if a derived software product has th...   Jul 14 2005, 13:31
- - Klyith   Was FAAD sponsored / owned by Ahead from the begin...   Jul 14 2005, 16:22
- - Garf   FAAC is GPL, not owned by Nero FAAD is LGPL, owned...   Jul 14 2005, 16:30
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Garf @ Jul 14 2005, 12:30 PM)FAAC is G...   Jul 14 2005, 16:34
|- - DarkAvenger   IIRC, XFree86 put in an advertising clause and thu...   Jul 14 2005, 16:58
- - Garf   The XFree86 license added restrictions to end-user...   Jul 14 2005, 17:07
- - Klyith   People may be getting this confused with the bad p...   Jul 14 2005, 19:05
- - NumLOCK   Still, what if people want to use FAAD2 code in an...   Jul 14 2005, 19:18
|- - guest0101   Any updates on FAAD2 code? The latest I see in the...   Jul 14 2005, 20:29
|- - Mr_Rabid_Teddybear   QUOTE (guest0101 @ Jul 14 2005, 11:29 AM)Any ...   Jul 15 2005, 00:59
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Mr_Rabid_Teddybear @ Jul 14 2005, 08:5...   Jul 15 2005, 03:04
- - spoon   QUOTE (NumLOCK @ Jul 14 2005, 06:18 PM)Still,...   Jul 15 2005, 09:35
|- - Garf   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 15 2005, 10:35 AM)QUOTE (N...   Jul 15 2005, 09:50
- - Klyith   QUOTE (NumLOCK)Still, what if people want to use F...   Jul 15 2005, 21:30
- - Otto42   QUOTE ** Software using this code must display the...   Jul 16 2005, 06:05
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Otto42 @ Jul 16 2005, 02:05 AM)The fac...   Jul 16 2005, 06:20
- - Garf   I know about the BSD-with-advertising problem and ...   Jul 16 2005, 08:43
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Garf @ Jul 16 2005, 04:43 AM)This is t...   Jul 19 2005, 02:36
- - Otto42   So, how, exactly, am I supposed to adhere to this ...   Jul 16 2005, 08:53
- - Otto42   Heh. You edited while I posted and then I did the ...   Jul 16 2005, 09:01
- - Garf   Yeah, sorry. I guess it's better to make multi...   Jul 16 2005, 10:06
- - spoon   Just stick with the older version, pre-that clause...   Jul 19 2005, 09:17
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (spoon @ Jul 19 2005, 05:17 AM)Just sti...   Jul 19 2005, 15:08
- - Mr_Rabid_Teddybear   I hope the developers will be willing to change th...   Jul 20 2005, 07:46
- - rjamorim   OK, as it turns out, the obnoxious clause was adde...   Jul 21 2005, 17:37
- - jstembridge   Any progress on changing the license header? CVS s...   Aug 15 2005, 12:45
- - kode54   No PS for yuo! <owned> Is it really so ...   Aug 15 2005, 13:17
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kode54 @ Aug 15 2005, 09:17 AM)No PS f...   Aug 15 2005, 14:38
|- - Otto42   QUOTE (kode54 @ Aug 15 2005, 06:17 AM)Is it r...   Aug 15 2005, 16:21
- - stephanV   Not to start a grammatical discussion (well maybe ...   Aug 15 2005, 15:01
- - robert   I would say the FAAD2 licensing is fully GPL confo...   Aug 15 2005, 16:45
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (robert @ Aug 15 2005, 12:45 PM)I would...   Aug 15 2005, 18:34
- - rasher   So, has there been any progress in this case? Is ...   Sep 22 2005, 00:08
- - rjamorim   Heh, the Nero AG employees here are quite fast to ...   Sep 22 2005, 14:00
- - rasher   What I don't get is, how they can claim that i...   Sep 28 2005, 02:52
- - rjamorim   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.p...9...   Nov 14 2005, 21:49
|- - cartman   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 15 2005, 12:49 AM)Bad n...   Nov 15 2005, 21:10
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (cartman @ Nov 15 2005, 06:10 PM)Or goo...   Nov 15 2005, 21:31
|- - cartman   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 16 2005, 12:31 AM)QUOTE...   Nov 16 2005, 00:54
|- - Gambit   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Nov 15 2005, 10:31 PM)QUOTE...   Nov 17 2005, 00:18
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Gambit @ Nov 16 2005, 09:18 PM)Hmm, is...   Nov 19 2005, 00:59
- - bond   how great!   Nov 15 2005, 02:01
- - davechapman   Has there been any change to this situation? Are ...   Jan 28 2006, 16:49
- - AstralStorm   Well, FAAD2 development seems dead. Bad for us and...   May 31 2006, 20:50


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